Creation vs. Evolution

[Mark SeaSigh]

Are you an astro or theoretical physicist Mark?

...

I guess, "Theoretically". LOL!!!

: D

I am telling you about my "beliefs/theories" about Astronomy and Physics; if that's what you mean...

LOL!!!

Nice "Loaded Question", though; you have always been my favorite Evol; except of course whenever I get to laugh about something these "Men" Said: Dick Dawkins, Hawkings, Fluffy Hair, or Tyson Of Grass says.


=M=


Stephen, along with His ITouch Device that "Allows him to Talk to the World"; Is now working on "Stephen Hawking Is Working Gravity Waves into a New Theory of Everything".

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/spac...ng-gravity-waves-new-theory-everything-n29226


Did you know that "Hawking" is now working on "Formulating a New Theory of the Universe's Beginnings?

It was in the "News" and Everything;

Did you miss It?

It was right after "Taylor Swift" shows her "Belly Button" (Navel); Is that News?

I'm pretty sure Everybody has a "Navel", right? Except for "Clones" on "the Simpsons", of Course.

Evolutionist talks to Creationist Scientist;

Evol: We Know How Everything Came to be! Thanks to "Gravity" (A Term Coined by a Creationist "Isaac Newton") "Made itself" over a Really Long "Time"...

Creationist: that doesn't explain where the Physical Constants in the Universe Originated; What do you think Created the Physics that allow Constants like Gravity to Exist?

Evol: Um... Let me get back to you on that...

:mock:
.............Planetary Evolutionists.

Sure, Gravity and Laws of Motion can Explain "Why" the Planets still move in the Clock-Like Motions they Do Presently; But, they have no means by which to explain how they originally were set in those "Fine-Tuned" Motions.

Just like Newton says...

He was the "First Scientist", and he believed in God.


: P

 

[alwight]

Oh, well in that case AL;




=M=


You seemed to have them, If you believe in a "Multi-Universe" Theory; In Order to help you accept Fine-Tuned reality in Nature and "the Known Universe":

What are the Chances that "Just One" Single Universe would Occur, which could Support Itself from collapsing in on Itself without an All Powerful God Directing the Manifesting Forces from the Beginning of Creation, according to AL or Barbie Girl, Of Course?

I simply accept what is evidentially so, but the precise details of what actually brought it all about do not imo require shrouding in an arcane realm of a supposed supernatural being as devised in antiquity.

 

[patrick jane]

...

I guess, "Theoretically". LOL!!!

: D

I am telling you about my "beliefs/theories" about Astronomy and Physics; if that's what you mean...

LOL!!!

Nice "Loaded Question", though; you have always been my favorite Evol; except of course whenever I get to laugh about something: Dick Dawkins, Hawkins, Fluffy Hair, or Tyson Of Grass says.

=M=

pretty sure i was talking to alwight, but thanks. i already know you won't take a definative stance on any real beliefs. i have studied enough, without posting pictures of dinosaurs and bones to bolster the minimal credibility of such, to know what i know. i have stated my beliefs in many posts. every question to you is loaded, in your mind, to trip you up ? or pin you down ? you seem to do the labelling, i'm not even close to an "evol", whatever that is. i am a Christ follower who understands The Bible and science/technology/humanity/history and how they all fit together. but i can't tell you, because you and Michael can't tell anybody yet. ancient chinese secret. - atrol:

 

[6days]

Never saw anything designed in nature...

Many of us do see the 'design' of God in nature.
His Word tells us "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

Unfortunately, many people see the design, but fail to acknowledge the Designer.
Bill Gates see the design, "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”
or
"Philosopher of science Stephen C, Meyer show how the digital code in DNA points powerfully to a designing intelligence behind the origin of life."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWKPO5xLZ3o


Some scientists see the design but try explain it away...
Francisco Ayala, (evolutionary biologist) "The functional design of organisms and their features would therefore seem to argue for the existence of a designer....(But Darwins accomplishment was to show there is no need to resort to a Creator)"


Other scientists see the design and acknowledge The Creator God of the Bible.
Werner Gitt , Information scientist "The design of such an incredible system of information storage indicates a vastly intelligent Designer."
Or,
Georgia Purdom, molecular biologist discusses the reality that cells contain unfathomable complexity inferring design as the best explanation.
http://evidencepress.com/georgia-purdom-discusses-the-cell/

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

I simply accept what is evidentially so, but the precise details of what actually brought it all about do not imo require shrouding in an arcane realm of a supposed supernatural being as devised in antiquity.

If there "Is No Chance" Fine-Tuned Universes, Just Magically Pop into Existence; Why do you think they Can, AL?

( Because, some Man "Told you They Can"? )

The Math is Out there, and it is "Physically Impossible" for the Universe to have begun to exist through Time and Chance; Given Time in this Universe did not Exist: Before, this Universe was Created by God.

You don't even Understand the Odds of a Universe Existing that does not Implode in on Itself.


=M=

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

pretty sure i was talking to alwight, but thanks. i already know you won't take a definative stance on any real beliefs.

That's a Load of Baloney.

Ask me any Question you want, Right Now; Jane.

Or, Show me a Single Question I have "Avoided" whatsoever in your Opinion; So, I can have a Chance to Answer you, before your False Accusations.



=M=

every question to you is loaded, in your mind, to trip you up ? or pin you down ?

You are a Girl!!! LOL!!!

Those "Statements" are not even Questions; that's why I don't answer those...

Why do you add a "Question Mark", to Statements of your "Beliefs"?

LOL!!!

You are so You, Patrick.

i'm not even close to an "evol", whatever that is. i am a Christ follower who understands The Bible and science/technology/humanity/history and how they all fit together. but i can't tell you, because you and Michael can't tell anybody yet. ancient chinese secret.

I got sick of Writing out "Evolutionist" so many times; So, I shortened it to the New Term "Evol".

: D

Thanks for asking a Question... Sort of...

Here's an Opinion;

I think the Biological Term "Species" should be Defined as;

Species - Largest Group of Living Things, which can be Interbred.

How's that for an "Opinion/Thought/Belief/Answer", statement; Patrick?

 

[patrick jane]

That's a Load of Baloney.

Ask me any Question you want, Right Now; Jane.


=M=

music ? and who are you, really ?

 

[alwight]

i've taken up to the minute "evidence", including theoretical physics, scientific facts and data, and God Is the ultimate conclusion.

OK, I might become a deist one day, maybe I am already, but I don't sense that a Christian God is particularly any more likely than any other possibility.

i don't pretend to "save" anyone or even lead someone to God. that's an individual thing, after all. anyway, i think the example i cited with encyclopedias, was pertaining ONLY to the human genome. not every other amazing part of God's creation. look up, out your window. it all happened this way just because it could ?

I might be being somewhat deistic again here but what is any of that to do with the Christian God specifically?
Perhaps you can't help special pleading for your God?

people have all been crazy for thousands of years, and finally, now, we can see that God isn't necessary ? do you realize how tiny we are and how DEAD the universe(s) have been FACTUALLY observed.

That's my line. But the case for an involved caring God at least is somewhat tenuous imo.

how absurd and self-aggrandizing it is, to actually ascribe to that perspective of reality. fun to think about for a minute, like a good movie. FAITH IS NOT fear of the unknown or a NEED for a Creator, it's not just a way to "feel good" and ignore the random harshness, cruelty and death of the obvservable universe. it is not painful or scary to think we're just lucky to be here, it was bound to happen. in fact, it's easier, kind of a cop out IMO. btw, Imo's is good pizza in st. louis, anyhoo, i don't even go so far as to hope this helps you, or anyone for that matter (totally unchristian, huh). people generally live WITHIN their own tiny layer of reality, our "own little world". it's hard not to. i'm pretty sure we're all confused, especially the ones that know they aren't. peace out brah ! - atrol: p.s. - if all possible things are bound to happen eventually, then why hasn't a form of life occured that travels through time and tells us everything ? or talk to us now ? it has to have happened, because we can imagine it.

Well, your post formatting needs some more effort if you ask me PJ.:think:
Perhaps time travel simply is impossible?

 

[patrick jane]

you were talking to alwight, i thought you were talkin' to me. you talkin' to me ? i'm the only one standin' here. you must be talkin' to me. (taxi driver)

 

[patrick jane]

OK, I might become a deist one day, maybe I am already, but I don't sense that a Christian God is particularly any more likely than any other possibility.


I might be being somewhat deistic again here but what is any of that to do with the Christian God specifically?
Perhaps you can't help special pleading for your God?


That's my line. But the case for an involved caring God at least is somewhat tenuous imo.


Well, your post formatting needs some more effort if you ask me PJ.:think:
Perhaps time travel simply is impossible?

typical. formatting ? i don't plead for a "Christian God". i read it unbiased. i can't pretend to KNOW exactly which Christian denomination God prefers. i follow Christ without anyone elses input, based on my own research. i defend God and Jesus. God Pleads, i don't. - and i didn't ask you btw imo -

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

I simply accept what is evidentially so, but the precise details of what actually brought it all about do not imo require shrouding in an arcane realm of a supposed supernatural being as devised in antiquity.

What do you think is "Evident"?

Do you have some "Observable Evidence", "Picture of a Fossil or Animal" or "Idea/Thought" that points in the Direction of Common Descent of even Two Major Groups of the Various Modern Animals?



=M=

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

you were talking to alwight, i thought you were talkin' to me. you talkin' to me ? i'm the only one standin' here. you must be talkin' to me. (taxi driver)

Oh, That Explains Everything; I still think you were acting like a Girl about it. : P


LOL!!!


=M=

 

[alwight]

If there "Is No Chance" Fine-Tuned Universes, Just Magically Pop into Existence; Why do you think they Can, AL?

Sorry but I really have no idea what it might be possible for new universes to be caused by, which is why I haven't concluded any such thing.

( Because, some Man "Told you They Can"? )

Who claims to actually know any such thing?

The Math is Out there, and it is "Physically Impossible" for the Universe to have begun to exist through Time and Chance; Given Time in this Universe did not Exist: Before, this Universe was Created by God.

I suggest that that conclusion is based more on you wanting to believe in a specific God and scripture rather than any genuine appliance of science Mark.

You don't even Understand the Odds of a Universe Existing that does not Implode in on Itself.


=M=

This particular universe seems to be holding up pretty well so far Mark, but I really have no idea how many failed ones there have been if any, or if there are an infinite number of concurrent ones that we cannot detect.:dizzy:
For all I know there has already been an infinity of failed universes until this one came along, but when I'm not here I really don't seem to have any sense of time at all.

 

[patrick jane]

That's a Load of Baloney.

Ask me any Question you want, Right Now; Jane.

Or, Show me a Single Question I have "Avoided" whatsoever in your Opinion; So, I can have a Chance to Answer you, before your False Accusations.



=M=



you told me you have your own special theory, remember. actually you told someone else in an open post. tell us all ? i'm not accusing and i never put question =M='s after my belief statements. i believe, i believe ? play my music and i'll leave you alone - :madmad:

You are a Girl!!! LOL!!!

Those "Statements" are not even Questions; that's why I don't answer those...

Why do you add a "Question Mark", to Statements of your "Beliefs"?

LOL!!!

You are so You, Patrick.



I got sick of Writing out "Evolutionist" so many times; So, I shortened it to the New Term "Evol".

: D

Thanks for asking a Question... Sort of...

Here's an Opinion;

I think the Biological Term "Species" should be Defined as;

Species - Largest Group of Living Things, which can be Interbred.

How's that for an "Opinion/Thought/Belief/Answer", statement; Patrick?

 

[patrick jane]

hey seaslime, look up at the red face - i posted in your quote :nono:

 

[alwight]

What have you got against girls Mark, didn't you recently marry one?
Or is that the reason? :think:

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

The theory of Evolution is fake; No matter how much you Girls Cry about it.

LOL!!!


=M=


Unless, you know; Do You actually "Have Observable Evidence" for the "theory of Common Descent" of two Major Groups of animals?

I Personally have several Starfish Fossils at my house.

One is a Cushion Star, and the others are supposed to be "Sugarstar Starfish"; and, the Sugarstars are many different sizes.

They are all Starfish, and every one of them Contains the same Functional anatomy, that Starfish have Contained the Entire time they have Existed on this Planet; Evolutionists believe that they have Existed in that Same Form, the Entire Time they have Existed, as Well.

Why doesn't "Evolution" happen?

Wouldn't some Functional Anatomy be Gained over "Time", if all "Modern animals" share a "Common ancestry"?

There are Even Multi-arm Species of Starfish in the Deepest layers of Earth that Life is Found in.

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

AL;


Yes, I like Women, that act like "Lady's", and not like a bunch of Whores.

I don't like "men", that Cry to me, like a bunch of Little Girls; who just found out Santa Claus was "Made Up" by the Catholic Church.

Thanks for Asking, though!

We just finished making the "Save the Dates" for the Wedding.

I can't wait.

Sad thing is, though; Since my Wife and I live together, there has not been a Single Pastor who will perform the "Marriage Ceremony" for Us.


What do you make of that, AL?


Now, I have to Use a "Judge", from my Government; to "Marry" us.

I say it means the Pastors of the Current Churches don't follow God's Word.

I guess we could just "Sign the Paper", and Go on with our Lives without a Nice Ceremony in a Church; But, Why should I?

I'm doing this to you Girly men, now; So My Children don't have to Grow Up in a World full of Morons that are filled with Masonic/Popery, raping and pillaging because they think "Survival of the Fittest".

You Whores!

Put your Damn Clothes back on!

LOL!!!

 

[The Barbarian]

Many of us do see the 'design' of God in nature.

Where I grew up, there was a guy who saw God hiding in his shed. Get some evidence, then we'll talk.

His Word tells us "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

No "design", though. Creation. God isn't limited, and has no need of design.

Unfortunately, many people see the design, but fail to acknowledge the Designer.
Bill Gates see the design, "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”

Funny, but people who actually know about DNA don't agree.

"Philosopher of science Stephen C, Meyer show how the digital code in DNA points powerfully to a designing intelligence behind the origin of life."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWKPO5xLZ3o

And a philosopher with an unorthodox religious axe to grind. Still no evidence?

Guess why.

Francisco Ayala, (evolutionary biologist) "The functional design of organisms and their features would therefore seem to argue for the existence of a designer....(But Darwins accomplishment was to show there is no need to resort to a Creator)"

I'm thinking those ellipses are hiding something you don't want us to know. How about filling it in for us? Just so we all know there's nothing funny going on?

Prediction: that isn't going to happen.

Other scientists see the design and acknowledge The Creator God of the Bible.

Me, for example. IDers say the "designer" might be a "space alien." But I see a Creator.

ID got burned in the Dover Trial, when it was revealed that an "ID textbook" turned out to be a creationist religious tract, with "God" erased and "designer" inserted. In fact, the 1987 version had an embarrassing slip that gave the fraud away, when an editor failed to properly cut and paste:

Werner Gitt , Information scientist "The design of such an incredible system of information storage indicates a vastly intelligent Designer."

Werner, it turns out, uses a private definition of "information" that doesn't fit what science has shown about information. Shannon's information theory allows us to communitcate over billions of kilometers of space with very low-power radios, while Werner's "information" can't do anything.

The fact that your guys have to hide their motives to sell their stories is sufficient evidence that they know they're selling snake oil.

BTW, that doctored "quote" attributed to Ayala can be checked here:
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/suppl_1/8567.full

His point was that even as Newton had no need to bring God into his theory of gravitation, so did Darwin have no need to bring God into the way populations of living things changed. Yes, Newton thought God created it all, and Darwin supposed that God just made the first living things, but neither had to put God in his theory. And Ayala quite rightly believes it's an insult to God to accuse Him of designing things.

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

How does the "Church" thought Process even think Marriage is Going to happen; With that Logic It could only be through "Forced Marriage".

Where the Daughter is Literally "Bought" from the father.

That is Over!

I will not allow it, and the World Will Change to fit ME in it!



=M=

Get some evidence, then we'll talk.

The Observable Fine-Tuned Universe; Proves a "Designer and Creator" all on it's Own, Catholic.

Barbie is full of Masonic/Popery.

His point was that even as Newton had no need to bring God into his theory of gravitation, so did Darwin have no need to bring God into the way populations of living things changed.

Yes, Newton thought God created it all, and Darwin supposed that God just made the first living things, but neither had to put God in his theory. And Ayala quite rightly believes it's an insult to God to accuse Him of designing things.

Your very thoughts are an Insult to God.

God is the Designer of All things, according to God's Word.

You Masoned out Popery Sniffin' Catholic Whore!

Say something Else, and Ignore my Questions.