Creation vs. Evolution

[MichaelCadry]

The wind, rain, predators etc. do not produce random mutations.

--Dave

Dear DFT_Dave,

Yes, you are dead on in all three posts. Too bad more people around here aren't as smart as you. You see, the difference is that some of us believe in God, and the rest don't, so thus a disagreement ensues. I do still hope that it doesn't cause any friendships to suffer. Everyone should be able to agree to disagree. I have friends on both sides of the coin. God taught me to love those who are my "enemies" and I truly do. They are my brothers also, as far as I am concerned. They don't have to agree with me to gain my respect and love. But I will still disagree with them. It's okay.

Michael

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[patrick jane]

darwin had some stuff right, so do alot of other people. Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.:rapture:

 

[MichaelCadry]

Then God is nature.

You guys are so theological and philosophical brain dead you can't see the countless contradictions you are in.

Scientists place themselves above rationality because any contradiction to the theory of evolution only means to them they must adjust the theory, which is why it's not a science. It's a religion that makes nature God and for the believer in God it makes God nature. The former is pantheism and the later is pan-en-theism and both are irrational.

--Dave

I hope I follow you here Dave! There is God! There is no Mother Nature!! It is God doing everything. He brings the dew, the rain, the snow, the tornaodes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc. He brings the lightning and the thunder. He raises up the plants whose seed is in itself. He could instead cause the seed to never raise up by killing it with lack of rain or too much snow, etc. So even though the plant's seed is within itself, it takes our God to cultivate it. The same with all of the animals and people. You are all so unlearned and way off that it's an awful mess. Dave, this post is for those who disagree with you. It's not for you!

Michael

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[MichaelCadry]

God says..." Everything was created through him and for him."
Col.1:16
Darwin was wrong.

Dear 6days,

This message is not for you. It is for your adversaries. Every little or big creature or creeping thing, or flower, and plant, or man, or a genome, or nuclei, DNA, etc. is controlled by God, at the beginning and during the life of each miraculous creation. His work doesn't end just because we're already born and His work is done. Gimme a break!! You are all WAY OFF!!

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

So if a carpenter builds a chair, you think he's a chair. Miracles aren't a magic act. The universe is a miracle, but you're too jaded by your fairy tales to see it.

BTW, you've still not shown us those two major groups said to be related, that lack a transitional. Have you decided to give up and admit that you were wrong?

Why not overcome your pride and accept it God's way?

Dear Barbarian,

If God makes a chair, it doesn't mean He is that 'chair.' You're not fooling no one. What's with you accept it God's way. Seems like you're the one who isn't accepting it God's way. God didn't just create things and leave them on their own to natural selection. Through His servants and angels, He is with each and every one of them every minute of their day and night. Believe what you want.

Michael



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[MichaelCadry]

Darwin wrote that God created the first living things. Sounds like a miracle to me. Augustine wrote that the everyday workings of nature are miracles. And they are.

Yes, Barbarian,

This is the first thing I've heard you say that makes sense. There must be more of it inside you. After all, you are Christian. Make it count!! The everday workings of nature are miracles of God and His angels, and Jesus of course.

Michael

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[MichaelCadry]

David & Michael 11-30-2014

David & Michael 11-30-2014

So that would mean that any group is made up of those with a mutated advantage and those who don't. Right?

And if that be so then why would any generation not have a mix of mutants with various traits?

--Dave

Dear Dave,

You've got to admit it. You make more sense by far. But it's like beating your head against the wall. I've been there quite often. Done that. Buena suerte (good luck) to you DFT_Dave!!

Michael

 

[patrick jane]

Dear 6days,

This message is not for you. It is for your adversaries. Every little or big creature or creeping thing, or flower, and plant, or man, or a genome, or nuclei, DNA, etc. is controlled by God, at the beginning and during the life of each miraculous creation. His work doesn't end just because we're already born and His work is done. Gimme a break!! You are all WAY OFF!!

Michael

i believe God's Spirit is in all things, which is God. but after the creation of all things He set in motion it is God's plan to allow physical, mathematical, and for lack of a better word NATURAL laws to run it's due course. God's essence is in all, He doesn't CONTROL every detail of EVERY thing or you couldn't explain the observable truths on earth. if you guys ever want me to shut up tell me.

 

[MichaelCadry]

That does seem to be an itch that creationists are constantly scratching.

Dear noguru,

Hey Bro'! Certainly you know what is written in the Bible. It says that God created the marine life and fowl miraculously. So how can you say He did not?? Are you competing with God for the Final Word about it all?? Did you know that God says He created man a couple days or so, after He created the marine life and lake life, and fowl. So that we are all very much about the SAME AGE!! If God can create a man who is 18 or so, so then He can create an aged Universe if He wishes. Your Peer Group's Dating Of Things Is OFF!!

Michael

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[MichaelCadry]

So now you are a mind reader on top of being horrible at science?

You YECs do seem to be a multifaceted lot.

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Dear Noguru,

How dare you treat your fellow Christian that way. 6days is not a mind reader or horrible at science, just because you say so. Yes, YECs are multifaceted because we follow what God told us. And you always use the ROTFL smiley. It's getting tiring.

Michael


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[MichaelCadry]

i believe God's Spirit is in all things, which is God. but after the creation of all things He set in motion it is God's plan to allow physical, mathematical, and for lack of a better word NATURAL laws to run it's due course. God's essence is in all, He doesn't CONTROL every detail of EVERY thing or you couldn't explain the observable truths on earth. if you guys ever want me to shut up tell me.

Dear patrick jane,

God's Spirit is in all things, even rocks. You see how crystals beautiful grow inside of many of them. He set in motion to exist, but also to be monitored by Him through His servants and the angels. It is NOT natural selection. Seeing that what you say, "God's essence is in all" then you must know He does Control every detail of Everything. I won't tell you to shut up. It is not my place and further than that, it is good that you posted to hear what you had to say. I feel that way about everyone on this site.

May You Grow In Countenance,

Michael



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[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Darwin wrote that God created the first living things. Sounds like a miracle to me. Augustine wrote that the everyday workings of nature are miracles. And they are.

Dave replies:

Then God is nature.

Barbarian observes:
So if a carpenter builds a chair, you think he's a chair. Miracles aren't a magic act. The universe is a miracle, but you're too jaded by your fairy tales to see it.

Dave writes:

I gave you the answer, you can't even tell what it was, can you.

Dave, everyone gets what you said. It's just not Christianity you're preaching here. If God creates nature, that does not mean God is nature. I don't know how to explain it to you any simpler than that.

BTW, you've still not shown us those two major groups said to be related, that lack a transitional. Have you decided to give up and admit that you were wrong?

Why not overcome your pride and accept it God's way?

 

[patrick jane]

yeah michael, i like this. i just don't think God's controlextends to let's say,when a bug dies or when i sneeze prettymuch left alone unless God chooses to control something. God works on levels and time scales we can't grasp. details we can't see at His Will. i can't pretend to know God's Will in every aspect of creation buti don't believe God gets involved unless God wants to. ps this screen is messing up when i try to edit

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear patrick jane,

You see, you don't seem to understand. Yes, God's angels are with you when you sneeze or even yawn. When you lift your hand up to smoke a cigarette, even His angels help you make that movement. You will cease on doing it someday in the future. When you hiccup, the Lord's angels are with you also. You sell Him short. They keep you from falling in the shower. They help you through every move. Including constant breathing and your heart pump/breathing. Yes, it's all controlled by God and His servants, and the angels. When you raise your hand to hurt someone, God is not with you. That is of Satan. It is not something God wants you to do. When you come around to steal something from someone else, that is not God's angels doing it, but instead the devil's demons doing it. These demons used to be angels, but fell from heaven because they didn't want God's bounds put on them. They wanted to do whatever they wanted to do whenever they wanted to do it. So they got something worse instead. And BOY, do they REGRET it!! Sure they can have sex whenever they want, but they are too much in pain from burning that sex is the last thing on their mind. In Heaven, you don't have sex. There is no giving in marriage either. I could look up the Scripture if you need me to. Well, hang in there after finding this out. Be wiser than the serpent.

God Be With You As You Grow,

Michael

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

when a bug dies or when i sneeze prettymuch left alone unless God chooses to control something.

Right, and that is a Result of Living Organisms having Free Will.

What would Life be, if we couldn't make our own decisions?

=M=

 

[MichaelCadry]

Barbarian observes:
Darwin wrote that God created the first living things. Sounds like a miracle to me. Augustine wrote that the everyday workings of nature are miracles. And they are.

Dave replies:

Barbarian observes:
So if a carpenter builds a chair, you think he's a chair. Miracles aren't a magic act. The universe is a miracle, but you're too jaded by your fairy tales to see it.

Dave writes:

Dave, everyone gets what you said. It's just not Christianity you're preaching here. If God creates nature, that does not mean God is nature. I don't know how to explain it to you any simpler than that.

BTW, you've still not shown us those two major groups said to be related, that lack a transitional. Have you decided to give up and admit that you were wrong?

Why not overcome your pride and accept it God's way?

Michael observes,

Dave knows very well that the Universe is a miracle. So where did you get that?? God creates nature and controls it immaculately. No, He is not nature, but neither is He Mother Nature!! There is NO Mother Nature. There's only God and His servants and the angels. Why not overcome your pride and accept it God's Way? I will leave Dave's transitional? to him to explain to you, if it is so needed.

Michael



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[6days]

God says..." Everything was created through him and for him."
Col.1:16
Darwin was wrong.

The Bible says He did. I'll go with the Bible.

Excellent choice!

 

[MichaelCadry]

Yeah 6days & Barbarian!!

Yeah 6days & Barbarian!!

Excellent choice!

Yes, finally an excellent choice!! No lo creo! (Means, I don't believe it, in Spanish).

Praise The Lord!!

Michael


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[6days]

Augustine wrote that the everyday workings of nature are miracles. And they are.

Yes...For example every heart beat of ours is really a miracle.

The universe is a miracle....

Exactly.... Our fine tuned universe is just one of many evidences of a miraculous creation.

If God creates nature, that does not mean God is nature. I don't know how to explain it to you any simpler than that.

Yes... That IS what Dave was saying. But, as the Bible tell us some people worship nature / the creation instead of the Creator.

Why not overcome your pride and accept it God's way?

Actually, Dave does accept it the way God's Word tells us.
Dave believes God created in six days. Dave believes that God created Eve from a rib removed from Adam.

 

[patrick jane]

Dear patrick jane,

You see, you don't seem to understand. Yes, God's angels are with you when you sneeze or even yawn. When you lift your hand up to smoke a cigarette, even His angels help you make that movement. You will cease on doing it someday in the future. When you hiccup, the Lord's angels are with you also. You sell Him short. They keep you from falling in the shower. They help you through every move. Including constant breathing and your heart pump/breathing. Yes, it's all controlled by God and His servants, and the angels. When you raise your hand to hurt someone, God is not with you. That is of Satan. It is not something God wants you to do. When you come around to steal something from someone else, that is not God's angels doing it, but instead the devil's demons doing it. These demons used to be angels, but fell from heaven because they didn't want God's bounds put on them. They wanted to do whatever they wanted to do whenever they wanted to do it. So they got something worse instead. And BOY, do they REGRET it!! Sure they can have sex whenever they want, but they are too much in pain from burning that sex is the last thing on their mind. In Heaven, you don't have sex. There is no giving in marriage either. I could look up the Scripture if you need me to. Well, hang in there after finding this out. Be wiser than the serpent.

God Be With You As You Grow,

Michael

you don't understand michael, although i agree with the hearbeat thing and angels and demons i guess, but you really changed the subject. are you preaching to me about sex, stealing and smoking ? do you assume most people do that ? trying to be psychic. i certainly do not sell God short. you trivialize God with childlike talk of The Bible. you sell God short by trying to remove free will or even natural selection, i don't know what natural selection is exactly, just a generic term to me. it just means stuff happens, good and bad, that God really doesn't have to pay attention to or MAKE happen. could He? yes. does he ? no. you live in a fantasy world, but that's ok. God knows your true motives and mind and you heart. Praise God ! please don't project any demons you may have on me. i love you :rapture: May God speak to your heart and mind. God Bless you and your family