Mark M
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I follow your posts, among several others and I will miss you. Please stay, I like your posts.
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Creation vs. Evolution
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To be fair, that was not the fallacy of moving the goalposts, it was a red herring.
Dear Jose,
We don't know all of what is written in the Koran. So we are very happy to go with the Lord Jesus' version of things in the Bible. So, no comment.
Warmest Regards, Jose,
Michael
gcthomas
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Not modern apes, but your distant ancestors would have been described as ape-like if species were being named then.
Dear DavisBJ,
Trust me, you never owned the Thread. I would never allow patrick to give my Thread to an atheist. It is based on a creationist viewpoint. So the owner of the thread must be a Christian or Catholic even. But that's where it stops. It doesn't matter that much right now. Have your dreams, if you wish.
Of course, I will miss you. I make up with you as often as I disagree with you. Keep your eyes and ears open within the next few days. I will be revealing some very interesting stuff. I'm starting to loosen up and share some secrets with you guys: Atheists or Christians. Sometime soon, you are going to question your Atheism quite severely, as I share truths with my friends here, including you. I did not know you were leaving before I decided this. I can't do it 2nite because I can't stay on long and I have a doctor's appointment to get a physical later today, after I get my night of sleep in. Then, I've got to take my car into the Auto Repair to get the A/C looked at again. It won't cost me anything that I know of, but the A/C is still not running at optimum performance, which is what I spent $1,023 doing. I trust you will still pop in once in a while. And I know that you miss me battling you, or you would be sticking around. I've just been in catch-up mode here.
Will miss you. If you'd like to, give me your email address in a PM to me and I will let you know when I post something that I think you'd find interesting. I'll send you a PM with my email address too. Yes, you and Silent Hunter, and Hedshaker were quite formidable, but still I could handle you all. I can't believe you got banned either, but you must have screwed up somewhere or it wouldn't have happened. I see Stuu got banned again too?! He spends so much more time being banned then he does on TOL. So now that you got banned, you are leaving before you screw up in case it happens again. Smart move.
Well Davis, I do understand what you mean. It takes a lot out of me trying to keep in touch with 7-10 other persons on this Thread. I don't know if we have more atheists than theists or what.
I'll miss you and I still care about you, and love you because of Jesus Christ. He taught me to love everyone, even my 'enemies.' I am quite able to do that because I love the person, not necessarily their ways that they keep. It works just fine for me. I have Tons of Love to give out of my heart, because I know we are ALL brothers/sisters. We're ALL RELATED to Adam and Eve; and Noah and his family. You just got to admit it because it's true. Us creationists know that. It blatantly stares us in the eyes. For evolutionists, maybe not so much. I plan on releasing a secret in the next couple days. Okay, will get going!!
May God Direct You To Himself,
Michael
Dear gcthomas,
Are you trying to make excuses for the apes and chimps that changed as a group into men and women, or did they do it individually? I think individually, if it even were the case.
God Created Man in His Image. Make no mistake about it. We are NOT descended from apes and chimps. Prove it, why don't you? I have millions of Christians who believe in the Bible. Not too many atheists. I am not trying to cause any friction. Just wondering where you stand on some things.
Best Wishes,
Michael
It might be an idea to actually learn something about the scientific field you are attacking. You don't know what the theory of evolution claims, and as a result your comments are, well, silly. Very silly.
gcthomas
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Species evolve as a whole gene pool, and no-one with knowledge of the science has claimed otherwise. You should read this short blog post as a primer, to give you some understanding of that which you pretend to criticise.
Educated countries universally accept evolution is true, and even in the US there are plenty.
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From wikipedia.
As you may have noted in a post I recently made, I am severely scaling back my participation at TOL. The conversation I was having with you is the only one I feel might benefit from one more exchange. If what I say here does not fit the bill, then I sincerely recommend you take the question directly to a physics teacher at whatever college might be close to you.
I alluded before to a previous thread dealing with this issue. I will offer a couple of brief comments, and then point you to that thread for a fuller discussion. I probably will not have time to return to the subject here, since I have already made time commitments to items I have been ignoring outside of TOL.
You say: “If you want a copy and paste definition you can go to Wikipedia or your textbook instead, so I'll opt for the simple route. For our purposes here, it should be enough to say that something that breaks off of a spinning mass continues its spin in the same direction. It doesn't stop and do a reverse on its own. Someone has to act on it to do that.”
Quick analogy – if I were riding in a car you were driving, and I was concerned you were driving at an unsafe speed, I might ask you what the speed limit was on the road we were on. If your response was “If you want to know exactly you go to some sign posted somewhere down the road”, I would ask you to stop the car so I could get out and walk. If you are going to drive, it is required that you know the rules (like the speed limit) that apply to the situation you are in. Similarly, if you are going to apply a principle of physics to a specific problem, then you better understand what that principle actually says. If you can’t present it yourself to a least a modest degree of fidelity, then you probably should not have it in your bag of tricks.
You actually came pretty darn close to getting it right, moreso than most creationists who say the retrograde rotation of Venus is an issue.
Since you are somewhat new here, you may not be aware of a forum within TOL dedicated to issues from, about, concerning, whatever, Bob Enyart – who is a pastor (and talk show host) well known to many of the TOL regulars. In late 2005 a thread was started in the Enyart forum dealing with what Enyart had said on his radio program back in 2002 about the rotation of Venus:
I recommend you read that thread carefully, and if you still have questions, take them to a qualified scientist.
Best of luck to you.
Mark M
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gcthomas
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It is not what The Lord of the Rings says about the origin of men either.
Science, eh? What's it like! It keeps surprising people by showing them that, often, books are actually works of fiction when compared with reality.
Mark M
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What does Lord of the Rings say about the origin of man?
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Yeah, Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life being a prime example.
gcthomas
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I don't care — it is a work of fiction, like any other detailed explanation of our origins from before the 1850s.
Mark M
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So you are one of those that says that the Bible is fiction.
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Jose Fly
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You need to brush up on logical fallacies. Me applying the exact same standard to the Koran is not moving any goalposts.
Seriously? You honestly don't understand the point? At all?
You cited the fact that the Bible describes actual geographic locations as supporting your assertion that "science confirms God's word", and I responded by noting how by the exact same standard we can also say "science confirms the Koran".
And you truly do not see the point in that? It's completely beyond your ability to process and comprehend?
I want the answer to the question I asked. You keep claiming that science agrees with, supports, and proves the Bible. So my question remains, by what measure? Exactly how are you establishing what science does and doesn't support?
gcthomas
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Specifically, that the Bible's tale of the origin of humans is a fiction.
Not fiction. Myth.
Silent Hunter
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Your statement was unclear. I thought you meant the part that "broke off" would continue around the parent body. I now understand what you meant.
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6days
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Ok... so lets go with Stripes suggestion. Its was a red herring fallacy. We can take a look at your red herring claim after you agree that archaeology helps to confirm the Biblical account is accurate.JoseFly said:
Here was your question and the answer:JoseFly said:
Jose: "on what basis are you claiming "science confirms God's word"?
6days "This has been often answered....in many posts . Example:
Dr Luke (Gospel of Luke) was perhaps the world's greatest historian. The research Luke did is reflected in the accuracy of his account.
The Gospel of Luke besides numerous mentions of things with historical and archaeological significance also mentions;
32 countries
54 cities
9 islands.
Because of the numerous mention to countries and cities, Sir William Ramsay thought that this book would be the easiest one to disprove. He along with his archaeological team set out to Asia Minor to prove the Bible wrong. But... a funny thing happened. "Ramsay became so overwhelmed with the evidence he eventually converted to Christianity"
Ramsey wrote:
I began with a mind unfavorable to it...but more recently I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topography, antiquities, and society of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth
Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy...this author should be placed along with the very greatest historians.
http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm
Interesting how so many people say the Bible is filled with errors. Yet for many who are willing to study it with an open mind, such as Sir William Ramsay, it is inerrant"
Notice that I provided that as an example of how science helps confirm the truth of God's Word..... and asked if you wanted more examples (after you agree that archaeology helps confirm the Biblical account)
I want the answer to the question I asked. You keep claiming that science agrees with, supports, and proves the Bible. So my question remains, by what measure? Exactly how are you establishing what science does and doesn't support?
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