Pros, Cons, and Consensus
Pros, Cons, and Consensus
I answered directly. Consensus is on your side.
My apology, I missed that meaning in the first time when you answered “consensus”.
This does bring forth some interesting thoughts. If I were a dedicated creationist, and my child was heading for college, I would be concerned that what I consider faith-destroying lies were routinely being taught at the premier universities. I would want my child to come out of college with a good understanding of how science works, and be conversant with the current knowledge in science. But that means I may have to enroll my child in “Aunt Sally’s Collegiate Level Knitting School and Biology Emporium”, instead of the secular schools that bow to “consensus”. Or alternatively, I might elect to send my child to Yale, and then on weekends we will regularly meet with Pastor Pete so he can ask my child what was taught that week, and he then can correct whatever misinformation was taught.
So you introduced me to the director with that email? What was his response?
Good try, but that is not what I said. As I suspected, your HDF complaints are not of enough concern to you for you to even show the initiative of asking the people who know most about the HDF. Short of personally escorting you to the STScI main office, I have made it exquisitely easy for you to contact them. When I had questions I went to them without any directions or handholding.
I have no interest in wasting either of our time. If we want to raise this to the level of conversation he will need a reason, someone on the common descent side, that will lend enough weight to my introduction that he will get passed my being YEC.
Do you think they will slam the door in your face if they sense you are a YEC? Instead, you want to conceal your YEC leanings so you can get in? Is that the way you operate? In that case, you are most assuredly wasting both of our time.
If there were a scientist that wasn't allowed to work because he was black, you'd be outraged. Especially if as much information about the case was available as is with Dr. Sternberg you would have heard about it and had an opinion on it.
But see, I don’t make a habit out of seeking out why people get canned. If they happen to have been employed close enough to me, then it is likely I would be made aware. (And that has happened a few times, though never for espousing religious views.) If you think I am some sort of miscreant who is intentionally blind to workplace injustice because I don’t know who your martyr is, then so be it.
But because in your world its OK to drum people out of their position because of their beliefs (even if they don't affect the science done), you ignore injustice.
Which is exactly what I said I have never seen done.
Ok. So you are saying this is a highly controversial subject with no good points on one side of it.
It is apparently really hard for you to accurately understand what I did and did not say. So once again - I am not aware of any YEC arguments that I feel are credible. Did I say there are none? NO. I said I am not aware of any. I have a number of YEC books and publications that I simply have not had the time to read in depth. Maybe there are substantive arguments in them. There are fields that I know I am not qualified to pass judgement on. In those fields I withhold personal judgement (though I will admit, I am usually not adverse to relying on “consensus” in those cases.)
You do realize that you've turned yourself into a person that, until proven otherwise, has admitted they just plug their ears and yell LALALALALA whenever information they disagree with is brought up.
Then you should find little credibility in my postings. Why are you bothering to respond to someone who “just plugs their ears and yells LALALALALA”?
A person that looks for the truth takes the strong points from both sides. He spends his time looking especially at the people that offer the strongest arguments for both sides
The sentiment I agree with. But perhaps unlike you, I actually have considerable demands on my time away from the YEC controversy. I make no claim, nor will I, that I am right up-to-date on the pros and cons.
(you admit you won't look at Sternberg).
Repacking what I actually said into a falsehood is not something that becomes you or your religion. All I have said is I am not aware of who Sternberg is. I have said nothing about “won’t look at Sternberg.”
That's what I did and it changed me from and OEC to a YEC. I didn't have to change.
Whatever the Sternberg affair was – it was the catalyst that deceived you into the YEC mindset? Really? Wow, maybe I better steer clear of learning the details of such a powerful story. I might get corrupted like you were.
There are plenty of good scientists who are Christians and my life would be fine either way. But I was interested in the truth.
You would be crucifying your own credibility if you said otherwise.
