Creation vs. Evolution

[MichaelCadry]

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Michael, what part of I don't believe it do you not understand? Please process the words in bold slowly, take your time, let them sink in..... now try to imagine if everything you believe isn't really true. I know that may be hard for you but try for a few seconds, just this once.............. now this is my world. There is no heaven, hell, gods, angels, demons, paranormal, occult, magic, creationism, Armageddon, second coming myths, spirit world, psychics, etc etc etc, it's all made up and it's all absolutely daft. ALL OF IT Pray all you want, it doesn't do anything.

Dear Hedshaker,

Of course I believe you. You "don't believe it." I don't say to you that you have to believe. I've also told you that you I don't believe you will go to hell for what little that you do wrong/sin. Just see what happens in the near future is all I have to say about what you've written. You won't have to wait long. Why do you think that I am asking too much?

So you see Michael, although you probably mean well, preaching this stuff and posting bible verses at none believers actually gets quite tedious. You refuse to look at evidence against your beliefs and look into the real origins of Christianity, so I suggest we just agree to disagree.

I think and feel you should save the witnessing for someone who might appreciate it.

Thanks.

I do mean well, Hedshaker. If I didn't like you pretty much, I'd say nothing. Okay, Mate, I will post to you only about good, everyday occurrences instead of about religion. I believe in the Creation and you believe in evolution. We can work around it. I will just appreciate that we both love music instead. I do the singing and I managed to get that Guitar Polish and Cleaner a few days ago. Dunlop 65 Guitar Polish and Cleaner, in a spray bottle. Best I've ever bought. Are you familiar with it? Then I'll finally be able to change my strings and polish the guitar while the strings are off. Now what I could use is a good 'capo.' I've misplaced mine and it was a good one. I will see if I can find one that is even better probably Friday. Tomorrow I've got some other stuff to do. I want to get my nephew some white shirts, or a tie, and a card for his birthday on the 21st. I am giving him a gold tie clasp that I received from my grandmother when I was 10. It is expensive, but I'm passing it down to him. Grandma would want that. And he will love it.

Well, Hedshaker, you write soon and enjoy your day today, buddy!

May Awesome Things Happen To You!!

Michael

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[alwight]

Dear Alwight,

I am really too keen to see things that are there, mate. Al, what do you make of millions of Christians, Catholics, etc. believing in the Holy Bible, the bestselling book of all time, and yet some miniscule amount of unbelievers don't believe it and they get angry if anyone brings it up to them? Don't kill the messenger. I'm not trying to steer you the wrong way. Why would I do that to anyone, much less you, whom I care about. There are tons of different kinds of books/Bibles/Korans/Jehovah's Witness books/Mormon books, etc. that declare that there truly is a God and a Son named Jesus. So I can't help but believe, because I believed beforehand, and the Lord visited me, among other experiences. Despite all of the hell I've gone through for others, I am one of the most blessed and happy, having Jesus as my older Brother and Savior. You nor Hedshaker have to believe the things I say. I'm not twisting anyone's arm. I just say what I believe and you all say what yobelieve. There is no malice that I have, at all. I want you both to be friends of mine. We don't have to agree on any religion, or we can agree to disagree. I care very much about You and Hedshaker and hope you are happy and joyful in your lives.

Much Love Coming Your Way!!

Michael


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I think there's probably a very good reason why there are so many different "truths" Michael.
Just as you have demonstrated with the book of Isaiah, you want to see something in it that just isn't there, so for you anyway there it is.
If believers all had the same "truth" then that in itself really would be something to take heed of.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Alwight,

I can see your situation and what you are trying to say. There are many things to believe, even differences between those who do believe in God. I can see your plight. If you feel it's best to not believe in God, that's up to you. There are plenty of messed up people out there who could use brain surgery. There is seemingly a different God of the Christians and Jews/Israelis, and one of Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Hindus/Confucianism, etc. I do hope that you will still not get angry with me if I bring up my God sometimes. I won't try to proselytize to you. You make some sense, and there is a God out there, but I can see your hesitance. Please forgive me and thanks so much for bearing with me this long. You are one hell of a friend!! And so is Hedshaker!! I'm looking to hear from you both, if you don't mind. Again, I am SO SORRY!! I trust that God is even aware of your problem and He loves you Tons!!

The Very Best To You And Hedshaker,

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hedshaker,

Please see the previous post #7764 here. I want to apologize and hope that you will forgive me. I can see the predicament that you are in and I can only say that I am very sorry. I thought I should write you separately also. You definitely have been an unmovable good friend in all of this. I just was not getting what you were trying to say until I realized that there are more 'Gods' out there than one can take. I do hope that you will still keep in touch. Thanks Tons!!

Much Love Coming Your Way!!!

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear All,

God and Science: What Do Scientists Believe?

40% of scientists believe in God, and among younger scientists the number is higher. While evidence of God is not easily found in laboratories, religion still plays an important part in the scientific community.



For more articles and features by Susan Diamond click here.

I could not share the address with you because it's on another Theology Site, which I will not do. Just thought I'd pass this along.

Much Love, In God's House,

Michael

 

[Hedshaker]

For more articles and features by Susan Diamond click here.

I could not share the address with you because it's on another Theology Site, which I will not do. Just thought I'd pass this along.

You would need to look outside of theology sites for unbiased statistics on that subject Michael. From what I have seen, the closer you get to the worlds elite scientists, the less likely you are to find believers in a personal god.

Having said that there are a few, such as the excellent evolutionary scientist Ken Miller, who manage to do very good science while also having theistic beliefs. Ken Miller is a devout Catholic and also a highly respected cell biologist and molecular biologist.


However, scepticism is at the heart of the scientific method, so if they are to be taken seriously they must leave their gods at the lab door. Science is very much about the pursuit of knowledge and discovery in the natural world where there is no place for none falsifiable assertions. You will get far more accurate results on this subject from secular sources.

Click the following link for more about Ken Miller, click: Kenneth R. Miller

Cheers

 

[alwight]

Dear Alwight,

I can see your situation and what you are trying to say. There are many things to believe, even differences between those who do believe in God. I can see your plight. If you feel it's best to not believe in God, that's up to you. There are plenty of messed up people out there who could use brain surgery. There is seemingly a different God of the Christians and Jews/Israelis, and one of Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Hindus/Confucianism, etc. I do hope that you will still not get angry with me if I bring up my God sometimes. I won't try to proselytize to you. You make some sense, and there is a God out there, but I can see your hesitance. Please forgive me and thanks so much for bearing with me this long. You are one hell of a friend!! And so is Hedshaker!! I'm looking to hear from you both, if you don't mind. Again, I am SO SORRY!! I trust that God is even aware of your problem and He loves you Tons!!

The Very Best To You And Hedshaker,

Michael

Don't be sorry Michael I'm not easily upset by words and I know you mean well.
I'm not trying to upset you either by telling you how I think it is, we just seem to see a rather different reality.

Life can be tough and scary and which all we can know for sure is to expect is death. It doesn't surprise me that all around the world people have their own gods and religious beliefs.
But if nevertheless one god is true then most people are quite wrong to believe what they do, I just happen to think that all religious belief is just man's feeble response to death, but is nothing more, they are probably all wrong not just most of them.

 

[MichaelCadry]

You would need to look outside of theology sites for unbiased statistics on that subject Michael. From what I have seen, the closer you get to the worlds elite scientists, the less likely you are to find believers in a personal god.

Dear Hedshaker,

40% of scientists believe in God, at least more among the younger scientists. That's what I agree with. I believe there is a God and that He is not falsifiable. I also believe in Intelligent Design, not evolution. I would have to have a conference with God before I would consider believing in evolution. I am not trying to tell you that you have to believe this. I did check out scientist Ken Miller and I can't agree with him.

Having said that there are a few, such as the excellent evolutionary scientist Ken Miller, who manage to do very good science while also having theistic beliefs. Ken Miller is a devout Catholic and also a highly respected cell biologist and molecular biologist.

However, skepticism is at the heart of the scientific method, so if they are to be taken seriously they must leave their gods at the lab door. Science is very much about the pursuit of knowledge and discovery in the natural world where there is no place for none falsifiable assertions. You will get far more accurate results on this subject from secular sources.

Click the following link for more about Ken Miller, click: Kenneth R. Miller

Cheers

Dear Hedshaker,

I can agree with you that you don't believe there is a God. I do. I cannot leave my God at the lab door. Wow, I thought we had made some wonderful progress. I do still care for you and what you think, but I just can't give up all of the beliefs that come with my believing in 'a' God. Thanks, Matey!!

Warmest Regards,

Michael

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[Hedshaker]

Dear Hedshaker,

Please see the previous post #7764 here. I want to apologize and hope that you will forgive me. I can see the predicament that you are in and I can only say that I am very sorry. I thought I should write you separately also. You definitely have been an unmovable good friend in all of this. I just was not getting what you were trying to say until I realized that there are more 'Gods' out there than one can take. I do hope that you will still keep in touch. Thanks Tons!!

Much Love Coming Your Way!!!

Michael

No need to apologise Michael. And you're right about the "more 'Gods' out there" thing, as there are probably thousands of gods that people believe in. They can't all be right but they all seem to think they are.

It appears to me that people seem to have little choice when it comes to faith based beliefs, or the lack there of. I know I couldn't "choose" to believe something that makes no sense to me even if I tried and it always strikes me as odd how adamant fundagelicles can be. We all have our paths to take and the only thing we know for sure is they lead to the cemetery. A fact that some folks seem better at accepting than others.

All the best.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Don't be sorry Michael I'm not easily upset by words and I know you mean well.
I'm not trying to upset you either by telling you how I think it is, we just seem to see a rather different reality.

Dear Alwight,

Yes, I do notice that you don't get upset easily by words. I do mean well. It's okay with me if you tell me how YOU think it is and that it's a different reality. So far, so good. Selah!

Life can be tough and scary and which all we can know for sure is to expect is death. It doesn't surprise me that all around the world people have their own gods and religious beliefs.

I can see how you feel this way also. Life can be downright horrendous sometimes, but it makes you stronger in many ways, including spiritually and intellectually, with a heart that increases with more love, thrown in for good measure.

But if nevertheless one god is true then most people are quite wrong to believe what they do, I just happen to think that all religious belief is just man's feeble response to death, but is nothing more, they are probably all wrong not just most of them.

Alwight, yes, if one God is truth, there is no need for all of these other gods and people are wrong to believe the way they do because these other beliefs in different gods err. That's why you're in a quandary and you have every right to be. A man must search for the goal and good outcome of his life, even if it also includes an 'afterlife.' Like suppose our bodies do die. What if our souls/spirits live on after death. Well, I won't trouble you with it all. I hope that we have made some excellent headway in an intriguing conundrum. I understand that you don't believe in God. We can talk about other things.

To My Best Buddy,

Michael



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[MichaelCadry]

Dear Alwight,

I do believe in God. You don't. So that is okay. But I don't think God is anyone's feeble response to death. Do you really think that all there is is that we were born on this one-of-a-kind planet for nothing else but to die and death is for nothing? Al, there's a lot more to life than that. How do explain how this Universe could exist, so finely tuned like a huge clock, where everything 'miraculously' exists and functions incredibly efficient? I don't get it. I'm not asking that you believe in my God, but I am talking to you about the Universe.

Total Love, Brother!!

Michael

 

[alwight]

Dear Alwight,

I do believe in God. You don't. So that is okay. But I don't think God is anyone's feeble response to death. Do you really think that all there is is that we were born on this one-of-a-kind planet for nothing else but to die and death is for nothing?

Hi Michael,
I think we are probably only here because Earth just happens to be a place that can support life, in a universe almost totally devoid of life by the looks of it. I don't believe for a moment that either the universe or this one tiny speck in it was deliberately arranged for our benefit.
However I don't claim to know that is absolutely so and it might be nice if I'm wrong so I'll await better evidence of it if I am.

But suppose I am right for a moment, would there still be religions, gods and religious belief? Of course there would, I rather think it would make little or no difference to the numbers of those who believe in gods, whatever the truth.

Al, there's a lot more to life than that. How do explain how this Universe could exist, so finely tuned like a huge clock, where everything 'miraculously' exists and functions incredibly efficient? I don't get it. I'm not asking that you believe in my God, but I am talking to you about the Universe.

Total Love, Brother!!

Michael

I don't claim to know how it all came about Michael and those who do claim they know probably don't really know either whatever they may say.
A supposed finely tuned universe is often trotted out by theists, but there again I don't know if an un-tuned universe is even possible or how many universes have come and gone before this one happened along.

 

[Hedshaker]

Dear Hedshaker,

40% of scientists believe in God, at least more among the younger scientists. That's what I agree with.

Yes Michael, that may very well be the case with regular scientists and general advocates but among leading scientists at the top of their field that number drops drastically to just a few percent, that's what I'm saying. I'm not making this up Michael, the information is readily available. Search for yourself or click the link below:

Leading Scientists Still Reject God

I believe there is a God and that He is not falsifiable.

Of course he's not falsifiable Michael, that's the point. You do understand the meaning of falsifiable in science, right?

I also believe in Intelligent Design, not evolution.

Intelligent Design is just creationism by another name, and contrary to what 6 days would have you believe, The Theory of Evolution is not a belief system similar to a religious belief. It is a robust scientific theory backed up by solid evidence and supported by leading scientists, including Christian scientists like Ken Miller. When you say you do not believe in it you are effectively saying you reject the evidence, but we both know you haven't examined the evidence. That's fine by me, you'll just never know is all. My point is that you cannot equate the two. Intelligent Design/Creationism is a religious belief and Evolution is a scientific theory. They are chalk and cheese. Mmmm cheese </Homer> :up:

I would have to have a conference with God before I would consider believing in evolution.

Lol, well that isn't going to happen, is it....? look, no one is suggesting you just believe it, that would be silly. But what possible harm can there be in having a honest look at the evidence? By which I mean the actual evidence, not creationist site straw man effigies of the evidence. Youtube, though some what limited, is always favourite for a beginning:

Click here: evolution for beginners

You can still reject it if you don't like it. Stripe and 6 days and a few others make a hobby of doing just that. Your choice. No skin of my nose. But then you would have at least given it a fair go, right?

I am not trying to tell you that you have to believe this.

I'm a sceptic who require evidences to believe stuff Michael, preferably falsifiable evidence........

I did check out scientist Ken Miller and I can't agree with him.

Well, Ken Miller is a star and a good example of how a honest Christian can approach evolution and other fields of science while still hold profound religious beliefs. But how can you possibly agree or disagree with him if you know nothing about the subject? Just sayin atrol:

Dear Hedshaker,

I can agree with you that you don't believe there is a God. I do. I cannot leave my God at the lab door.

Well it's just as well you're not a scientist then, isn't it?

There is no place for supernatural magic in the science lab. Science is about discovery related to the natural world but that doesn't mean you have to give anything up. Others seem to manage both just fine:

Wow, I thought we had made some wonderful progress. I do still care for you and what you think, but I just can't give up all of the beliefs that come with my believing in 'a' God. Thanks, Matey!!

No one is suggesting you give anything up Michael. An appreciation for science is there to be enjoyed by all, be they theist, atheist, agnostic, sceptic, faith head, black, white, gay, straight.... anyone can join in. All you need is an open mind, a thirst for knowledge, honesty and a little healthy scepticism which doesn't mean you can''t keep something sacred if you so wish. I'll bet you're just as sceptical as me about most things in you day to day life, outside of your religious beliefs.

Just look at Ken Miller, a highly respected scientist with profound religious beliefs. Nuff said :up:

All the best.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Alwight and Michael/Peace!

Alwight and Michael/Peace!

Hi Michael,
I think we are probably only here because Earth just happens to be a place that can support life, in a universe almost totally devoid of life by the looks of it. I don't believe for a moment that either the universe or this one tiny speck in it was deliberately arranged for our benefit.
However I don't claim to know that is absolutely so and it might be nice if I'm wrong so I'll await better evidence of it if I am.

Dear Alwight,

You have such a good heart and mind. I'm proud of you. You know, Earth surely is rare indeed. And what is the name of our galaxy? What if we were all children of God, and are here to learn between good and evil, and to choose the good? And this galaxy in which we live in is called, because of God, the Milky Way, which He put into man's mind to call it. And don't babies live on milk? We grow up here on Earth from being children to adults, even though we must be like a child, even when we are adult children. This place, Earth, in a unique position in our Solar System, is where God raises up Children to Himself. He told me this, so I am not unsure about it whatsoever. God raises up children to Himself because He loves having babies and likes to watch them grow up. And when they are to the point to help out with other people, God takes them to be Children/servants in Heaven, to be like the angels, which help other people and animals on Earth. We Children have the best Father we could ever DREAM OF. And our work in Heaven awaits us. But the day comes when we will get to play and even soon, go and explore the Universe in a spirit/soul form. Angels can fly very fast because they don't have legs to hinder them.

It takes a wise angel and servant to help God out with taking care of all of the people, and the more servants He has, the more children He can have. He needs children who can help His other children to learn how to live life and the right path to live in. This is the Milky Way, where infant children become adult children, and we replenish the Heavens. See the book of Daniel 12:3KJV, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament (like the stars in heaven), and they that turn many to righteousness (shall be) as the stars forever and ever." I do hope that I've explained this well enough, Al. God will prove my words when you meet Him. This is a subject that I know I am dead-on about. I'm also dead-on about the fact that soon we will all have just one 'religion' and all serve one God. Oh, the things I could tell you!! I've learned a lot during all of these experiences I've gone through, Alwight. You don't even know me nearly as well as you could. Then, you might believe me.

But suppose I am right for a moment, would there still be religions, gods and religious belief? Of course there would, I rather think it would make little or no difference to the numbers of those who believe in gods, whatever the truth.

I don't claim to know how it all came about Michael and those who do claim they know probably don't really know either whatever they may say.
A supposed finely tuned universe is often trotted out by theists, but there again I don't know if an un-tuned universe is even possible or how many universes have come and gone before this one happened along.

Alwight, consider the following. Now, I do not know about the other galaxies or not, but isn't it our Sun the point of reference of everything exploding out and away from IT? Why does it seem to be the spot that everything is moving away from, like we were the first Universe made {first galaxy/planet made}. Am I wrong about this?

Will get going for now. Remember that I care about how your life goes, and the happiness you want for yourself in the future, and that LOVE makes the world go around, tbh. If you could isolate LOVE, you would have isolated GOD!! He is master of it.

May The 'Fairies' Watch Over You For Me!!

Michael

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[Hedshaker]

I don't claim to know how it all came about Michael and those who do claim they know probably don't really know either whatever they may say.
A supposed finely tuned universe is often trotted out by theists, but there again I don't know if an un-tuned universe is even possible or how many universes have come and gone before this one happened along.

Hi Al,

Your post to Michael here put me mind of a documentary I recently watched on BBC 2. It was called Secrets of the Solar System, Horizon. Apparently a look at how new planets being discovered are forcing scientists to rewrite the history of our own solar system.

If you haven't watched it already it's fascinating stuff about the infancy of our solar system. I have it up on iPlayer now so you can get it if you like this stuff.

recommended :up:

 

[alwight]

I'm fairly sure Michael that no one in Biblical times or more recently had much clue about what the Milky Way actually was, that our sun is just one quite unremarkable star inside it. The Sun may well be at the centre of our solar system just as other stars will be at the centre of theirs. Then again binary systems have two stars that orbit each other, so probably there is nothing at all at the centre. In terms of our galaxy anyway our sun is definitely not at all important, much less at the centre.
The universe as a whole seems to be expanding from a singularity which actually means that every point in it is just as much the centre as anywhere else.
You should go and learn some astrophysics and astronomy Michael because I'm sure it would be far more enlightening to you than any ancient scripture written by and for Middle Eastern goat herders.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Yes Michael, that may very well be the case with regular scientists and general advocates but among leading scientists at the top of their field that number drops drastically to just a few percent, that's what I'm saying. I'm not making this up Michael, the information is readily available. Search for yourself or click the link below:

Leading Scientists Still Reject God

Dear Hedshaker,

I almost let this post get by me. But I'm glad I caught it. Yes, I see that you have a poll that scientists believe less in God. I'm glad you were able to find some evidence. I'm sorry for that, but like I said, they will all get their proof when Christ returns. It won't take that long at all. So it all comes out in the wash.

Hedshaker, I don't really know how well I am going to post to this thread, because I've never posted to a post in a post. Do you know what I mean? This is a first for me. I usually just answer with one paragraph at the end of a post like this.

Of course he's not falsifiable Michael, that's the point. You do understand the meaning of falsifiable in science, right?

It means able to be proven false? Right?

Intelligent Design is just creationism by another name, and contrary to what 6 days would have you believe, The Theory of Evolution is not a belief system similar to a religious belief. It is a robust scientific theory backed up by solid evidence and supported by leading scientists, including Christian scientists like Ken Miller. When you say you do not believe in it you are effectively saying you reject the evidence, but we both know you haven't examined the evidence. That's fine by me, you'll just never know is all. My point is that you cannot equate the two. Intelligent Design/Creationism is a religious belief and Evolution is a scientific theory. They are chalk and cheese. Mmmm cheese </Homer> :up:

Buddy, I just don't believe in evolution. I am all for Ken Miller believing there is a God, which I am with him 100%. Creationism is for me. I believe when God wants something changed, He just tweaks it a bit and the change is made as of then.

Lol, well that isn't going to happen, is it....? look, no one is suggesting you just believe it, that would be silly. But what possible harm can there be in having a honest look at the evidence? By which I mean the actual evidence, not creationist site straw man effigies of the evidence. Youtube, though some what limited, is always favourite for a beginning:

Click here: evolution for beginners

Hedshaker, I don't need a beginner's evolution guide. I've had classes about it and took it for granted that they were true, but I also believed in God and Creationism. So I guess, I believed in all three at one time.

You can still reject it if you don't like it. Stripe and 6 days and a few others make a hobby of doing just that. Your choice. No skin of my nose. But then you would have at least given it a fair go, right?

I'm a sceptic who require evidences to believe stuff Michael, preferably falsifiable evidence........

I don't need to be hit in the face either. But, I can believe in God by faith. That's what I did. Now I don't have to, because He performed miracles for me, so now I KNOW HE'S THERE!!

Well, Ken Miller is a star and a good example of how a honest Christian can approach evolution and other fields of science while still hold profound religious beliefs. But how can you possibly agree or disagree with him if you know nothing about the subject? Just sayin atrol:

Well it's just as well you're not a scientist then, isn't it?

There is no place for supernatural magic in the science lab. Science is about discovery related to the natural world but that doesn't mean you have to give anything up. Others seem to manage both just fine:

Yes, it is good that I'm not a scientist. I enjoy my life right now. But even if I were a scientist, I would just pick another field to go into besides Evolution. I would definitely keep my beliefs about Creation. I believe there are things to be found, like fossils, as far back as 7,000 years, etc., but so far, that's about it. I still may have some pondering to do.

No one is suggesting you give anything up Michael. An appreciation for science is there to be enjoyed by all, be they theist, atheist, agnostic, sceptic, faith head, black, white, gay, straight.... anyone can join in. All you need is an open mind, a thirst for knowledge, honesty and a little healthy scepticism which doesn't mean you can''t keep something sacred if you so wish. I'll bet you're just as sceptical as me about most things in you day to day life, outside of your religious beliefs.

Just look at Ken Miller, a highly respected scientist with profound religious beliefs. Nuff said :up:

All the best.

I am skeptic sometimes about things. Whatever God did when He created the Universe and Earth, and all life, I will definitely find out the truth when I face Him. He's not trying to mislead me. I'm not saying that you are trying to mislead me also. I do appreciate your proselytizing for science and evolution. I don't mind at all. Will chat with you again shortly, I hope.

To A Dear Fellow And Good, Intriguing Friend!!

Michael

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[MichaelCadry]

I'm fairly sure Michael that no one in Biblical times or in more recently had much clue about what the Milky Way actually was, that our sun is just one quite unremarkable star inside it. The Sun may well be at the centre of our solar system just as other stars will be at the centre of theirs. Then again binary systems have two stars that orbit each other, so probably there is nothing at all at the centre. In terms of our galaxy anyway our sun is definitely not at all important, much less at the centre.
The universe as a whole seems to be expanding from a singularity which actually means that every point in it is just as much the centre as anywhere else.

Dear Alwight,

That's why I was trying to say that the Lord God put into man's mind to call it the Milky Way. Also, there is evidently some starting point that the Universe is expanding from outwards, right? Do you know what I mean here? You just don't know?

You should go and learn some astrophysics and astronomy Michael because I'm sure it would be far more enlightening to you than any ancient scripture written by and for Middle Eastern goat herders.

Al, I've had some astronomy already and am doing fine. No astrophysics though. And the ancient scriptures were not written by and for Middle Eastern goat herders. The first five books of the Bible were written by Moses, who was considered royalty before He rebelled against being an Egyptian, realizing later that he was a Hebrew Israelite. He was very much a scholar. Regardless of that, a person that God speaks to can write down anything because if he is writing it down for God, then God makes him able to write it down. Don't fret about that.

To A Very Dear Friend Indeed,

Michael

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[noguru]

And the ancient scriptures were not written by and for Middle Eastern goat herders.

To A Very Dear Friend Indeed,

Michael

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Do you have a problem with the ancient profession of goat herding?

 

[noguru]

I don't need to be hit in the face either. But, I can believe in God by faith. That's what I did. Now I don't have to, because He performed miracles for me, so now I KNOW HE'S THERE!!

Was one of the miracles a frontal lobotomy without leaving a trace of the surgery on your face?