Conversation with Knight about losing faith

[Granite]

The Bible calls it shaking the dust off your feet after someone refuses to listen to you.

I'm familiar with the dusting off bit, but that was used when witnessing to those who hadn't heard the gospel, not in reference to people who left the faith. That I recall it wasn't used as a convenient way to excuse yourself for doing damage to another person.

I guess it still works. So does washing your hands of guilt.

 

[ok doser]

... to ratchet up the animosity until someone gets hurt.

Spoiler

 

[ok doser]

... that was used when witnessing to those who hadn't heard the gospel, not in reference to people who left the faith.

it was used to those who rejected the Gospel

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

If one is convicted that OSAS is the truth then they can not at the same time believe it's possible to lose faith, thus really making the question invalid to Knight in the first place. Of course there is no concern for losing something one never had. That theology does tend to lead to a callousness.
Words and actions really don't matter all that much.

Everyone is undoubtedly responsible for their own actions, which includes words.
I trust what Jesus said to be true. He said His disciples are known by their love. And this regarding words.
"...for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. ... I tell you, on the day of judgement people will give account of every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." Matthew 12:33-34, 35-36

Words have consequences in this life and the next, and they come from who we are, who is inside of our heart.

If a man on the edge of a cliff hears us say jump, He may. He will be accountable for jumping, we will be accountable for encouraging. Or we can tell him of the Great love we have found and He may come down.

"A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." Proverbs 15:1

 

[ok doser]

Your trying to make me look stupid isn't going to work.

:freak:

 

[annabenedetti]

Would you be able to speak about the things that have caused you to question your faith?
Would you be able to listen to the responses you would get about those things?

If I spoke about them, I'd be blasted into oblivion by a fair number of so-called Christians. Some who'd say I was never Christian to begin with, others who wouldn't miss an opportunity to get their digs in no matter what the topic is - a couple showed up on this thread to do just that. Stripe and sod, both protected by Knight.

I've talked to several Christians here privately. I trust them.

The fact is that yes, I'm losing my faith. And from most people here I'd expect only mockery and insults, there are plenty of examples right here in the thread. Yes, this forum has been a damaging place for me when it comes to faith. There are people here that I care about very much, and it has nothing to do with my relationships with them and everything to do with the corporate Christian message here, from top to bottom.

And while you and I've had our go-rounds here many times, I do appreciate that you actually addressed the issue.

 

[Granite]

If I spoke about them, I'd be blasted into oblivion by a fair number of so-called Christians. Some who'd say I was never Christian to begin with, others who wouldn't miss an opportunity to get their digs in no matter what the topic is - a couple showed up on this thread to do just that. Stripe and sod, both protected by Knight.

I've talked to several Christians here privately. I trust them.

The fact is that yes, I'm losing my faith. And from most people here I'd expect only mockery and insults, there are plenty of examples right here in the thread. Yes, this forum has been a damaging place for me when it comes to faith. There are people here that I care about very much, and it has nothing to do with my relationships with them and everything to do with the corporate Christian message here, from top to bottom.

And while you and I've had our go-rounds here many times, I do appreciate that you actually addressed the issue.

I went through that and it's zero fun to get savaged in the middle of that process.

Hang in there.

 

[ok doser]

Stripe and sod, both protected by Knight.

:baby:

The fact is that yes, I'm losing my faith.

your faith in a self-imagined Christ who accepts perversion, maybe

that's a good thing

perhaps you need to be brought low before you can humble yourself and accept the true Christ

 

[Quetzal]

If I spoke about them, I'd be blasted into oblivion by a fair number of so-called Christians. Some who'd say I was never Christian to begin with, others who wouldn't miss an opportunity to get their digs in no matter what the topic is - a couple showed up on this thread to do just that. Stripe and sod, both protected by Knight.

I've talked to several Christians here privately. I trust them.

The fact is that yes, I'm losing my faith. And from most people here I'd expect only mockery and insults, there are plenty of examples right here in the thread. Yes, this forum has been a damaging place for me when it comes to faith. There are people here that I care about very much, and it has nothing to do with my relationships with them and everything to do with the corporate Christian message here, from top to bottom.

And while you and I've had our go-rounds here many times, I do appreciate that you actually addressed the issue.

I appreciate your posts and your perspective. Don't be afraid to reach out if you need an ear to vent or whatever. :cheers:

 

[Stripe]

I'm losing my faith.

Given that you think salvation is predicated on not calling people names — as a bare minimum among the rules you've invented — it's not surprising that your religion is failing you, as you are among the worst for maligning people.

 

[Tambora]

Not every Christian has the same amount of strength.

Should strong Christians look down on, berate, and mock weaker Christians, or offer them a helping, loving hand when they see them in need of one?

Which did you do when you shunned me?

 

[annabenedetti]

Given that you think salvation is predicated on not calling people names — as a bare minimum among the rules you've invented — it's not surprising that your religion is failing you, as you are among the worst for maligning people.

You do have the gift of projection, I have to say I'm always impressed by it.

 

[annabenedetti]

Which did you do when you shunned me?

You mean when I asked you not to give me any rep? If that's shunning, it's a new definition. I haven't shunned you. If you'd like to talk further about it, please send me a PM.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

The Bible calls it shaking the dust off your feet after someone refuses to listen to you.

Yep. :up:

 

[annabenedetti]

I went through that and it's zero fun to get savaged in the middle of that process.

Hang in there.

I appreciate your posts and your perspective. Don't be afraid to reach out if you need an ear to vent or whatever. :cheers:

Thank you. :cheers:

 

[Nathon Detroit]

I'm asking you questions which you don't seem willing to answer.

Uh.... name one question of yours I haven't responded to.

Your trying to make me look stupid isn't going to work.

There is a logical reason for that. :chuckle:

 

[annabenedetti]

Uh.... name one question of yours I haven't responded to.

Responding isn't the same as answering the question. Case in point:

Is it heavy lifting to be concerned for the souls of people who encounter a damaging witness to Christianity on your forum?

Were you born this stupid or do you have to practice at it?

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Stripe and sod, both protected by Knight.

Lol.... Nobody... and I mean nobody has been banned more than Koban.

 

[Granite]

Thank you. :cheers:

:salute:

 

[annabenedetti]

Lol.... Nobody... and I mean nobody has been banned more than Koban.

And yet you keep letting him come back. To do more damage.

With different names, so his infractions don't pile up.

Also, it's interesting you pulled out that one little bit of my post, and ignored the rest:

If I spoke about them, I'd be blasted into oblivion by a fair number of so-called Christians. Some who'd say I was never Christian to begin with, others who wouldn't miss an opportunity to get their digs in no matter what the topic is - a couple showed up on this thread to do just that. Stripe and sod, both protected by Knight.

I've talked to several Christians here privately. I trust them.

The fact is that yes, I'm losing my faith. And from most people here I'd expect only mockery and insults, there are plenty of examples right here in the thread. Yes, this forum has been a damaging place for me when it comes to faith. There are people here that I care about very much, and it has nothing to do with my relationships with them and everything to do with the corporate Christian message here, from top to bottom.

And while you and I've had our go-rounds here many times, I do appreciate that you actually addressed the issue.