Christian Ministers to Use 'Magic Mushrooms' for 'Religious Experience' for A Study

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Christian Ministers to Use 'Magic Mushrooms' for 'Religious Experience' for Johns Hopkins Study

Two dozen religious leaders from different faiths, including Catholic, Orthodox and Presbyterian priests as well as Rabbis and Buddhists, are now part of a Johns Hopkins study into the effects of psychedelic drugs on religious experience.

Scientists at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, will give those religious leaders two powerful doses of psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, according to The Guardian.

"With psilocybin these profound mystical experiences are quite common. It seemed like a no-brainer that they might be of interest, if not valuable, to clergy," Dr William Richards, a psychologist at Johns Hopkins, who is involved in the work, was quoted as saying.

The scientists want to find out whether a transcendental experience makes the leaders more effective and confident in their work and in what ways it changes their religious thinking.

Psilocybin is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound produced by more than 200 species of mushrooms, collectively known as psilocybin mushrooms.

The drug triggers hallucinations, feelings of euphoria, perceptual distortions, inability to distinguish fantasy from reality and sometimes mystical feelings of oneness with nature.

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, psilocybin is illegal and is listed as a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substances Act. There are many negative side effects to consuming the drug, including, "nausea, vomiting, muscle weakness, drowsiness, and lack of coordination ... hallucinations and an inability to discern fantasy from reality." Large doses can cause panic reactions and psychosis.

"People emerge after the [psychedelic] experience reflecting back and believing that experience to be deeply personally meaningful to them," Roland Griffiths, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at JHU School of Medicine, recently told Business Insider.

The participants will undergo some medical and psychological tests and then be given two powerful doses of psilocybin in two sessions in two months. This will take place in a living room-like setting at New York University and Johns Hopkins in Baltimore in the presence of two "guides."

After taking the drug, the participants will be asked to spend time lying on a couch, wearing eyeshades and listening to religious music on headphones to augment their inward spiritual journey.

"Their instruction is to go within and collect experiences," Richards explained. "Generally people seem to be getting a deeper appreciation of their own religious heritage" after the use of the drug, he added. "In these transcendental states of consciousness, people seem to get to levels of consciousness that seem universal. So a good rabbi can encounter the Buddha within him."

The psychologist also said that his "wild fantasy" is that long after his death "these drugs are used in seminary training, rabbinical training."

In other words, his wild fantasy is leading people away from God and to a counterfeit.

Would you ever allow yourself to be part of any experiment like this?
 

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Christian Ministers to Use 'Magic Mushrooms' for 'Religious Experience' for Johns Hopkins Study



In other words, his wild fantasy is leading people away from God and to a counterfeit.

Would you ever allow yourself to be part of any experiment like this?

"one with nature" Those who are already pantheists will remain so...more so, and those who weren't pantheists, will be.
The Bible is Theistic, a dualism of the Creator and the created, the infinite and the finite. These so-called 'religious experiences change the paradigm to a closed Monism....all is one perspective.

When I took LSD in Sicily in 1970, I met some guys that night that had been with Timothy Leary the night before in Algeria where he had escaped to from the USA.

Of course, we all are part of the creation. These alkaloids enhance and magnify that reality to the point that through that 'door of perception(Aldous Huxley), from the new perspective...that's all there is, the universe and any concept of dualism in the sense of there being a Creator distinct from nature is obliterated. It's a dramatic shift from dualism to monism. That's what happened to me and I rode the Cosmic Circuit of Swamis, Yogis and Gurus, meditations, yogas for the next several years until Jesus Christ saved me and delivered me from that illusion.

Pantheism and then the worship of the creation are the natural conclusion of man left to himself and seeking ultimate truth within himself. (Ro 1)

What they're doing is nothing different than the sessions that Timothy Leary, Dr. Richard Albert and Dr Lang did in the 60's.

"Turn on, tune in and drop out!"

In this case though, it'll be not so much a drop out but more and more an infiltration of society, getting folks indoctrinated to more and more 'religious experience', and preparation for the grand delusion of 'the man of lawlessness'.
 
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Sorcery!

Rev_9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Rev_18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


"φαρμακεία
pharmakeía; gen. pharmakeías, fem. noun from phármakon (n.f.), a drug, which in the Gr. writers is used both for a curative or medicinal drug, and also as a poisonous one. Pharmakeía means the occult, sorcery, witchcraft, illicit pharmaceuticals, trance, magical incantation with drugs (Gal_5:20; Rev_9:21; Rev_18:23; Sept.: Exo_7:22; Isa_47:9, Isa_47:12).
Syn.: mageía (G3095), magic."- Spiros Zodhiates- "Complete Word Study"
 

beameup

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Going under the power of this drug involves what they call "death of the ego".
Those that fight against surrender to this drug are in for a psychological thrashing (ie: "bad trip").
As well, these "psychedelics" are actually a gateway to evil spirits... "magic mushroom" sounds so innocent.
It is a phony type of "salvation". True salvation requires surrender of the ego to the HOLY SPIRIT.
Of course, it is realization of total sinfulness and the holiness of God that brings us to true salvation.
 

Truster

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The unregenerate that are in the broad way will try anything to attempt to get the effects of peace. The favorite is a form of outward worship that stimulates the soul. This can be found in David playing the harp for Saul.

Any substance that stimulates the spirit in man will have an effect on his soul and this will always be detrimental.
 

Zeke

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Sorcery!

Rev_9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Rev_18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


"φαρμακεία
pharmakeía; gen. pharmakeías, fem. noun from phármakon (n.f.), a drug, which in the Gr. writers is used both for a curative or medicinal drug, and also as a poisonous one. Pharmakeía means the occult, sorcery, witchcraft, illicit pharmaceuticals, trance, magical incantation with drugs (Gal_5:20; Rev_9:21; Rev_18:23; Sept.: Exo_7:22; Isa_47:9, Isa_47:12).
Syn.: mageía (G3095), magic."- Spiros Zodhiates- "Complete Word Study"

Acts 22:17, no trances allowed? better rethink Paul's source that also stated we all have are being and existence in that one Deity Acts 17:24-32, the big scare of the eastern guru circus that was wrote about with a fever in the eighties was mental subjective mind control to manipulate the west just as much as the fake gurus where used to broad brush eastern thought as being a rampaging evil diluting the purity of the so call christian west, while at the same time Oral Roberts, Peter Pop Off, and myriads of other con men offered their own spiritual love gifts to the mesmerized under the Roman Cult, that made a flesh and blood man the biggest idol on the planet using a sacrificial canard drug that goes against Divine law you claim to have been saved by, God sure respected you over those rag heads! who is on drugs again? Luke 17:20-21 is the meat of the message yet you still like the flesh and bloody version 2Cor 3:6, 2Cor 5:16, that mystery of Christ within all ignorant or not 2Tim 2:13, you are looking for it to come through this world when its rudimentary based on observation Luke 7:20, Matt 11:11, the mid acts gang is still in a futuristic TRANCE looking to observe the coming one, that alone should be enough to wake them up but they continue to preach die vision.
 

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Acts 22:17, no trances allowed? better rethink Paul's source that also stated we all have are being and existence in that one Deity Acts 17:24-32, the big scare of the eastern guru circus that was wrote about with a fever in the eighties was mental subjective mind control to manipulate the west just as much as the fake gurus where used to broad brush eastern thought as being a rampaging evil diluting the purity of the so call christian west, while at the same time Oral Roberts, Peter Pop Off, and myriads of other con men offered their own spiritual love gifts to the mesmerized under the Roman Cult, that made a flesh and blood man the biggest idol on the planet using a sacrificial canard drug that goes against Divine law you claim to have been saved by, God sure respected you over those rag heads! who is on drugs again? Luke 17:20-21 is the meat of the message yet you still like the flesh and bloody version 2Cor 3:6, 2Cor 5:16, that mystery of Christ within all ignorant or not 2Tim 2:13, you are looking for it to come through this world when its rudimentary based on observation Luke 7:20, Matt 11:11, the mid acts gang is still in a futuristic TRANCE looking to observe the coming one, that alone should be enough to wake them up but they continue to preach die vision.

The source or catalyst of ekstasis are not all the same nor are they all purposed for the same end.
 

Zeke

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The source or catalyst of ekstasis are not all the same nor are they all purposed for the same end.

Sure they are when they are outward sources, you certainly still qualify seeing you claim Jesus "an outside source of history based events " rescued you from those evil eastern gurus, yet a real one no matter the point of the compass will tell you, you don't even need them once the inward sprout take root, they are a temporal crutch like a child's security blanket, Galatians 4:1. What happened to the Divine being/Spirit being the same yesterday today and tomorrow? Do you really believe the virgin birth depicts an observable event in this world Luke 17:20-21, Acts 17:24, or like those verses suggest is one that takes place in the temple/kingdom of God a tabernacle of flesh/wilderness that Galatians teaches is a inward event where the inward law of spirit resurrects sprouts in man portrayed! in the character of Jesus, Galatians 3:1-5. among/in can be true only if that among is through every man born of woman, that the Divine also put eternity/light/Spirit in their heart not just yours. You don't believe all things are possible with the Divine Father to all people made from one Divine conscience crucified in man since and before the foundation of the world that you kill with the letter 2Cor 3:6 and disregard the more excellent way 1Cor 13:1-13.
 

freelight

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Consciousness research is fundamental to experience...........

Consciousness research is fundamental to experience...........

Christian Ministers to Use 'Magic Mushrooms' for 'Religious Experience' for Johns Hopkins Study


In other words, his wild fantasy is leading people away from God and to a counterfeit.

Would you ever allow yourself to be part of any experiment like this?

I see a positive and informative direction in this study, which is sincere in its intentions, as it surely does have VALUE in discovering how these substances affect consciousness and more particularly 'religious experience'. It is quite significant as well, as comparing the various religious adherents as it appears the experience expands their consciousness to a higher more universal awareness, where the oneness of life is recognized which inspires a deeper appreciation of the various religious traditions, which are all actually different expressions of One Universal Reality anyways.

Therefore I find the choice of using the words 'wild fantasy' and 'counterfeit' above as being unnecessarily biased and presumptuous. In the evaluation of true human progress and understanding the nature of 'mind', science and spirit must join to synthesize and appertain a true holistic vision of human experience, along which lines can enhance, foster and empower a greater appreciation and co-operation of efforts towards universal peace, progress and brotherhood, which is what our planet needs more than ever. In this interest therefore, I approve of such experiments, done with good intent, ethically performed (responsibly), then the results being used for our own enlightenment gathered from the discovery of altered or enhanced states of consciousness.

Ultimately however,...spirituality or religious experience is something innate and natural to one's existence, assuming that there is something of 'God', some divine spirit, essence or fragment of Deity that indwells every human soul that each individual can access for themselves, as 'authentic religious experience'. Other methods such as prayer, meditation, mantras, going into the silence, breathing exercises, etc....can prepare individuals to enter into Universal Consciousness without the use of herbs or drugs, but the study of these may inform us better on how we can naturally enter into a larger sphere of transcendental awareness for the higher good of all concerned.
 

Epoisses

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The unregenerate that are in the broad way will try anything to attempt to get the effects of peace. The favorite is a form of outward worship that stimulates the soul. This can be found in David playing the harp for Saul.

Any substance that stimulates the spirit in man will have an effect on his soul and this will always be detrimental.

You have a works-based and legal religion where you are trying to be like all those Christian blow-hards you read about in all your books. You couldn't even have a conversation with someone on the street which makes your religion worthless.
 

Truster

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You have a works-based and legal religion where you are trying to be like all those Christian blow-hards you read about in all your books. You couldn't even have a conversation with someone on the street which makes your religion worthless.

I don't read the type of books you read. You've already stated you have the entire collection of John Bunyan. So it seems you are actually doing that which you accuse me of. Typical hypocrite trying to hide behind his own vices...
 

freelight

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Truth be told.......

Truth be told.......

The unregenerate that are in the broad way will try anything to attempt to get the effects of peace. The favorite is a form of outward worship that stimulates the soul. This can be found in David playing the harp for Saul.

The only 'peace' to be found is by those who attend to the spirit of 'God' within them, for "to be spiritually minded is life and peace" ;)

Music is a gift from the Creator,...and the skilled playing of the harp by David DID IN FACT soothe the soul of Saul, didn't it? I enjoy music as the sound of 'God' in its various tones and frequencies, for the sheer enjoyment and pleasure of it, in service to the Creator. Even John notes that some of the redeemed have the 'harps of God', and these I believer are frequency-modulators of some kind, that translates the language of God into melody :) - hence the sounds of heaven are usually represented by 'harps' since the full musical scale can be played by its strings. The inspiration of David (God's beloved) breathes thru all true ministers and minstrels of the Lord. I cannot deny the mystic order or legacy of the key of David, from whence springs the Messiah. The 'harp' of 'God' is 'universal', and so is the 'language' of the Spirit.

Any substance that stimulates the spirit in man will have an effect on his soul and this will always be detrimental.

And yet those 'substances' were made by the Creator for various reasons and purposes, hence the medicinal value and properties of many herbs and plants, seeds and fruit which was made for our 'food'. Of course any 'substance' can be 'mis-used' or 'abused' but this is where wisdom and discretion guide. In this context, even as the sages and shamans of many different religious traditions employed natural substances for good,...either 'healing' or in 'religious ceremonies' which enhanced their perception of the Spirit, to receive guidance and direction. This isn't any less 'occult' or a form of 'divination' than consulting the 'Urim' and 'Thummim', casting lots, or effecting some other kind of 'oracle' that was practiced by the Hebrews, or any other ancient school. Therefore on one end of the spectrum I find it entertaining that some fundies are all worked up over anything of this kind, like its all 'satanic' or something. I think some ignorant presumption is there, besides a need for further research and consideration of the subject, understood in its proper 'context'.
 

beameup

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According to Enoch, drug effects from certain plants, along with sorcery, was taught by the "sons of God" (ie: Watchers) to the humans. This contributed to the downfall of man and the Great Flood.
 

freelight

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Hocus Pocus........

Hocus Pocus........

According to Enoch, drug effects from certain plants, along with sorcery, was taught by the "sons of God" (ie: Watchers) to the humans. This contributed to the downfall of man and the Great Flood.

See my previous commentary,...pertinent points to consider there. Note these 'substances' were made by The Creator. You will also note that many herbs, oils, plant/seed substances were used by the Hebrew in their religious worship, ceremonies, anointing oils, incense, etc. These employments obviously have a purpose and do stimulate the senses (or why their special use and formulation???) Plants were given to man as both food and medicine. Wisdom and discretion guides us onto their proper 'use',...as anything COULD be misused. To equate the use of all plants or natural substances as 'pharmakia' or 'witchcraft' is ridiculous,...without further researching their use in religious rites and 'aids' in the enhancement of consciousness and spirit-communion.

For all you know, the 'manna' from heaven could have been 'magic mushrooms' of one form or another, but you'd have to do adequate research to rule that out, besides just assuming to know all about 'God' and his 'creation'. I'd gather there is a lot of real 'hocus pocus' passing off as inane religious beliefs and pre-packaged 'theology' out there mass marketed to 'easy believers', than a real study of 'divine magic' and using your own innate faculties of mind, in true service to Spirit, which is not a dogmatic or cultish enterprise, but an authentic and universal one.
 

beameup

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See my previous commentary,...pertinent points to consider there. Note these 'substances' were made by The Creator.
"These substances" were a result of the Fall. Thorns and thistles are also a result of the Fall of Mankind. Satan (ie: the Devil) currently has the earth "firmly in his grasp". These psychedelic substances are a direct pathway to the evil empire of Satan (ie: the Devil), The Prince of the Power of the Air (aether).

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places (ie: 1st & 2nd heaven) - Ephesians 6:12
 
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