Can a Christian lose their salvation

[Nick M]

Salvation is based on one's trusting belief that only the Most High God (YHWH) can bestow eternal life and must endure till the end with that belief.
In other words, it's not based on a one time belief that you had at one time, but is is based on standing firm in that belief through the good times and the bad times.

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You sure about that?

2 Timothy 2 3 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

Ephesians 1 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Galatians 2 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[Bladerunner]

It's sort of a loaded question.
Salvation is based on one's trusting belief that only the Most High God (YHWH) can bestow eternal life and must endure till the end with that belief.
In other words, it's not based on a one time belief that you had at one time, but is is based on standing firm in that belief through the good times and the bad times.
So if one believes that at one time and then makes a conscience choice to switch their hope on some other god, such as Baal, and choses to put their trust in Baal instead, then they have fallen away.
There ain't gonna be no Baal worshippers in the eternal kingdom, so yes they would lose salvation to eternal life, forever in the presence of YHWH.

They had to have been justified first to lose it. Jesus tells us that neither He nor His father will lose any from their hand. Therefore, those who fall away never had been justified. (1John 2:19).".They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

Hi Tambora, good to speak with you again.

 

[Bladerunner]

That would be you.

Those in the body of Christ would not become "Baal worshipers".

And what in the world does "maintain eternal life status" even mean? Eternal life is NOT a "status" that we must "maintain".

We are saved by grace through faith the moment that we have that faith. Christ saves us, we do not save ourselves. We also do not have a responsibility to "keep ourselves saved".

False scenarios do not support your claim.

Scripture is clear and therefore you avoid it.

https://theologyonline.com/threads/...r-us-in-the-body-of-christ.60006/post-1893284

It is called, Perseverance of the Saints

 

[Nick M]

Maintaining "belief" is the key

Is it possible to unknow that 2+2=4?

 

[Nick M]

Perseverance of the Saints

What is this?

 

[Bladerunner]

What is this?

a different way of saying what you wrote out in longhand.

 

[Idolater]

Is it possible to unknow that 2+2=4?

No, but isn't that a category error? Why would you think otherwise? When the three thousand converted from Peter's sermon in early Acts, they were cut to the heart, was that a choice? or did God actually convert them, against their will?

 

[Nick M]

No

A person cannot become an unbeliever.

 

[Nick M]

a different way of saying what you wrote out in longhand.

To persevere is to take action. I take no action.

 

[Right Divider]

Resolving Eternal Security with Right Division​

This originally appeared as an email delivered on
Saturday, April 13th, 2024.​

Both sides of the “eternal security” debate claim scriptural support for their position.

In some places, scripture teaches salvation contingent on future work or endurance. This is the “you can lose your salvation” position.

In other places, scripture teaches salvation complete and assured on work already done. This is the “once saved always saved” position.

Both positions claim the Bible teaches the same thing throughout and that the opposing passages are distorted by the other side.

This type of conflict over apparent Biblical contradictions is where dispensational Bible study can really shine.

The supporting passages for both sides can remain as they are written supporting the claim of conditional security in some places and eternal security in other places.

The disparity is resolved by acknowledging that the Bible does not teach the same thing throughout. There have been changes in how God relates with humanity.

Anyone in a covenant relationship with God can lose their standing in that covenant until that time when their covenant is fulfilled. Promised salvation is contingent upon Christ fulfilling their covenant upon his future return as King of the nation.

This is the relationship God established with Israel and their earthly kingdom. Salvation is secured by their covenants which are yet conditional. The portions of scripture that teach conditional security are overwhelmingly found in descriptions about Israel’s kingdom.

Anyone in Christ according to the fellowship of the mystery in the dispensation of God’s grace cannot lose their standing in Christ. Their salvation is complete and assured by the work of Christ already done by the cross and his current position in heaven as the Head of the Body. Salvation is not contingent on our endurance nor his return.

This is the relationship God established with the Body of Christ today and their position in heavenly places. Salvation is secured by the Body of Christ, which is created complete in Christ. The clearest scriptures teaching eternal security are overwhelmingly found in the Pauline books describing the church today.

The scripture remains intact when we rightly divide Israel from the Body of Christ.

For your edification,

Justin “saved forever” Johnson

https://graceambassadors.com/salvation/resolving-eternal-security-with-right-division

 

[Nick M]

This is the relationship God established with Israel and their earthly kingdom. Salvation is secured by their covenants which are yet conditional. The portions of scripture that teach conditional security are overwhelmingly found in descriptions about Israel’s kingdom.

5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

6 “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

It is right there, and people don't want it to be true. Or something.