By the Father before the foundation of the world.
Calvinism and the word "WHOSOEVER"
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By the Father before the foundation of the world.
Could he have agreed with the first criminal and gone to Hell?
HOGWASH!
God has not predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says that he has. The God that you serve is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant that only exist in your warped, perverted mind.
beloved57
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What the poster of this thread deceptively neglects is that the word whosoever never stands alone, its always qualified by an action, like whosoever is believing or believeth in Jn 3:16 Believing isnt a command to do, but its an action being done by the one believing, and thats who or the World God so Loved, and who He gave His Only Begotten Son for, for whosoever is believing ! So quiet as its kept, Jn 3:16 teaches a limited Atonement and a Limited Love.
beloved57
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Denial of scripture. Predestination to heaven/Glory is taught in Rom 8:29-30
Rom 8:29-30
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Where did you copy that HOGWASH from?
John 3:16 says that God loves the world and WHOSOEVER believes in him will not perish.
Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
HOGWASH!
God has not predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says that he has. The God that you serve is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant that only exist in your warped, perverted mind.
Is this hogwash pate?
HOGWASH!
God has not predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says that he has. The God that you serve is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant that only exist in your warped, perverted mind.
Is this hogwash pate?
beloved57
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It comes from studying the bible, something you can't do since you don't believe that Christ death alone saved sinners He died for!
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No its not blind one. They were predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son. No one is predestinated to heaven or to hell. All are predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son are called, justified and glorified.
NO ONE IS PREDESTINATED TO HEAVEN OR TO HELL.
If you got that from studying the Bible, then you should stop studying the Bible.
Was Judas the Betrayer a required component in the plan to bring about Christ's crucifixion?
You need to stop reading the Bible with your Calvinist glasses on.
No one is predestinated to heaven or to hell. They are predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son. Stop trying to make God a villain.
Nanja
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Absolutely!
Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
He was a vessel of wrath fitted for destruction Rom. 9:22.
Job 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
Acts 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Just as Cain was a necessary component.
You are ignoring this pate. Man up or shut up.
Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
Rom 8:29-30
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
beloved57
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How did you come up with that sinners Christ died for are still lost anyways?
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