BRXII Battle talk

[CabinetMaker]

Do people refrain from sexual immorality in our culture today?

Yes
Is God's will being done when people participate in sexual immorality?

Only if your a Calvinist!


Sorry. That was uncalled for but I couldn't resist.

 

[BurntOffering]

Well it depends on what you and God consider sexual immorality. God's will is being done and I dont think God care how people are fruitful and multiply. There are many sexual practisse around the world that I dont agree with; or even understand but that doesnt mean its a sin or God condemned. So to answer your question Do People refrain from sexual imorality, Yes some Do and Some Dont, but remember GOD gives Us all Free Choice. Personally I think its a Sin and Crime for women to be castrated although some people think its not only moral but a big part of their faith and tradition

Peace out

 

[PKevman]

Well it depends on what you and God consider sexual immorality. God's will is being done and I dont think God care how people are fruitful and multiply. There are many sexual practisse around the world that I dont agree with; or even understand but that doesnt mean its a sin or God condemned. So to answer your question Do People refrain from sexual imorality, Yes some Do and Some Dont, but remember GOD gives Us all Free Choice. Personally I think its a Sin and Crime for women to be castrated although some people think its not only moral but a big part of their faith and tradition

Peace out

B.O. You also did not answer the question. It's a simple one. It's amazing that a troll would be the only one trying to answer this question, and not the people in here dogmatically pushing the Universalist opinion day after day.

 

[PKevman]

Only if your a Calvinist!


Sorry. That was uncalled for but I couldn't resist.

:chuckle: Funny CM!

Sadly though, Red's whole argument has often consisted of "I believe God will accomplish everything he wills" or something similar to that restated 500 times.

 

[dale]

Please cite the Scripture verse that says God MAKES you willing.

Thank you.

Read about the conversion of Saul/Paul.

 

[BurntOffering]

Yes some do and some dont is your answer....It's more interesting that a Pastor would call one of God's children a Troll and Maybe you need to list your sexual traits to see if they are up to date.

 

[PKevman]

Read about the conversion of Saul/Paul.

I've read it plenty of times. Why do you think the conversion of Paul is a proof that God forces people to accept Him? God had a specific plan and purpose for Paul. And yet Paul could have rejected at any time God's plan for his life! In any case, you still have not provided the Scripture that says that God MAKES people willing to accept Him and love Him. You cannot MAKE someone love you. Love is a choice and is freely given, or it is NOT love.

 

[PKevman]

Yes some do and some dont is your answer....It's more interesting that a Pastor would call one of God's children a Troll and Maybe you need to list your sexual traits to see if they are up to date.

Because you are a forum troll as evidenced by your constant insistence in calling yourself Satan and many other such wacko views. We are having a discussion here, please troll another thread.

 

[BurntOffering]

So what would you expect Satan in the flesh to saying as a Reborn and Forgiven Christian to be saying ...oh that I am Jesus or the Other Christ so you as a Pastor could call me a Liar. Well if youre a Pastor, I cant see why anyone would believe You either, especially after seing your Example. Time for Christians to come out of the Closet; you say; Well I come out everyday, as I only go in there to pray.

 

[Redfin]

My answer is also that it is NEVER God's will for people to participate in sexual immorality, and that everytime they do they are acting opposite to God's will for their lives!

For someone who whines so much about others not answering questions, you sure didn't answer mine!

PK, is it God's will to allow people to participate in sexual immorality and reap the consequences if they so choose?

Would you care for another try, or will you continue the hypocrisy?

 

[Poly]

PK, is it God's will to allow people to participate in sexual immorality and reap the consequences if they so choose?

Is it your will to allow your children (if you don't have children, then maybe you could answer as if you did) to live out their lives freely knowing that they may make mistakes or lock them up in a cage, keeping them from any freedom so that you'd be sure they would never make mistakes?

 

[Redfin]

Is it your will to allow your children (if you don't have children, then maybe you could answer as if you did) to live out their lives freely knowing that they may make mistakes or lock them up in a cage, keeping them from any freedom so that you'd be sure they would never make mistakes?

My will is the former. (Wow, that was easy!)

Now, can you or PK admit that it is God's will to allow people to participate in sexual immorality, or not?

Straightforward and honest answers are not that difficult. Give it a try!

:think:

 

[dale]

I've read it plenty of times. Why do you think the conversion of Paul is a proof that God forces people to accept Him?

Why do you misrepresent me? I did not offer the conversion of Paul as "...proof that God forces people to accept Him..." (emphasis mine) I offered it as evidence that God made him willing. You may not be able to force someone to want something, but you can indeed create a situation that will convince them to want it. I trust you understand the difference. Remember "The Hornets?"

The Hornets

To the tune of This Is Like Heaven To Me

If a nest of live hornets were brought to this room
And the creatures allowed to go free,
You would not need urgings to make yourself scarce
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
They would not lay hold and by force of their strength
Throw you out of the window, oh no,
They would not compel you to go 'gainst your will
But they would just make you willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin,
God sent along hornets to bring them to time
And help his own people to win.
The hornets persuaded them that it was best
To go quickly, and not to go slow:
God did not compel them to go 'gainst their will
But he just made them willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Jonah was sent to the work of the Lord
The outlook was not very bright;
He had never done such a hard thing before
So he backed and ran off from the fight.
But God sent a big fish to swallow him up,
The story I'm sure you all know,
He did not compel him to go 'gainst his will
But he just made him willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land.
Resisting his spirit they worshipped a calf,
And refused to obey God's command.
God did not compel them to go to the land
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow,
But fed them on manna for forty long years
'Till he got them ready to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Balaam was sent to the Moabite kingd,
And wanted things run his own way,
His mule, ever faithful, spoke at the right time,
Made him willing God's will to obey.
God can use any man, since He used Balaam's mule,
For He is Almighty you know;
He does not compel us to go, 'against our will
But He just makes us willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

God had a specific plan and purpose for Paul. And yet Paul could have rejected at any time God's plan for his life!

Please cite the Scripture verse that says "Paul could have rejected at any time God's plan for his life."

In any case, you still have not provided the Scripture that says that God MAKES people willing to accept Him and love Him. You cannot MAKE someone love you. Love is a choice and is freely given, or it is NOT love.

You or I may not be able to make someone love us, but I believe God can. We love Him because He first loved us. I believe God who, again, knows us better than we know ourselves, would know exactly what it would take to allure us to Himself. Isn't that what He's doing to Israel? Making her jealous so as to create a desire?

 

[logos_x]

The whole idea that God "forces" someone to be SAVED is a bit ridiculous.
How about forcing someone to live forever in torment? How ridiculous is that?

Here is the bottom line...SALVATION. I don't believe it's power ever ends, and I don't think God's wrath outweighs His love forever.

Why?

Look at the end of the book!

Three scriptures, in that chapter alone, are essentially IGNORED by those who believe in an endless aion of punishment from which there is no escape whatsoever....

"In future there will be no curse," he said
(Rev 22:3a)

Blessed are those who wash their robes clean, that they may have a right to the Tree of Life, and may go through the gates into the city.
(Rev 22:14 WNT)

The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come;' and whoever hears, let him say, 'Come;' and let those who are thirsty come. Whoever will, let him take the Water of Life, without payment.
(Rev 22:17)

They think the punishment outwieghs the grace, and that it does so forever.

They cling to something being cursed.
They cling to never being able to wash their robes clean and have right to life.
They cling to the invitation ending and never to "whosoever will".

That is enough for me to see and know how wrong they actually are.

 

[Redfin]

The Hornets

To the tune of This Is Like Heaven To Me

If a nest of live hornets were brought to this room
And the creatures allowed to go free,
You would not need urgings to make yourself scarce
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
They would not lay hold and by force of their strength
Throw you out of the window, oh no,
They would not compel you to go 'gainst your will
But they would just make you willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin,
God sent along hornets to bring them to time
And help his own people to win.
The hornets persuaded them that it was best
To go quickly, and not to go slow:
God did not compel them to go 'gainst their will
But he just made them willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Jonah was sent to the work of the Lord
The outlook was not very bright;
He had never done such a hard thing before
So he backed and ran off from the fight.
But God sent a big fish to swallow him up,
The story I'm sure you all know,
He did not compel him to go 'gainst his will
But he just made him willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land.
Resisting his spirit they worshipped a calf,
And refused to obey God's command.
God did not compel them to go to the land
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow,
But fed them on manna for forty long years
'Till he got them ready to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Balaam was sent to the Moabite kingd,
And wanted things run his own way,
His mule, ever faithful, spoke at the right time,
Made him willing God's will to obey.
God can use any man, since He used Balaam's mule,
For He is Almighty you know;
He does not compel us to go, 'against our will
But He just makes us willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

I never get tired of that song! :chuckle:

 

[dale]

The whole idea that God "forces" someone to be SAVED is a bit ridiculous.

Indeed! Like forcing someone who is starving to death, to eat.

 

[logos_x]

Indeed! Like forcing someone who is starving to death, to eat.

Exactly!

 

[PKevman]

For someone who whines so much about others not answering questions, you sure didn't answer mine!

How utterly ridiculous! I asked a question of someone else. You piped in and did not answer the question. Then you asked ME a question which I answered not once but TWICE in TWO different posts! You are a doggone LIAR Redfin!

Would you care for another try, or will you continue the hypocrisy?

Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. You are accusing me of not answering a question when I provided you with TWO answers, and yet you still didn't answer mine. Interesting tactic. But then again you haven't offered a single positive thing in this entire thread that I can recall. Your eyes are blinded to the truth.

 

[PKevman]

PROOF THAT REDFIN IS A LYING HYPOCRITE:

PROOF THAT REDFIN IS A LYING HYPOCRITE:

In Redfin's post #3270 he makes this charge against me.

For someone who whines so much about others not answering questions, you sure didn't answer mine!

Would you care for another try, or will you continue the hypocrisy?

DOES Redfin's accusation match the facts, or is he a liar?

My answers in TWO DIFFERENT POSTS are seen below.

My answer is also that it is NEVER God's will for people to participate in sexual immorality, and that everytime they do they are acting opposite to God's will for their lives!

See post #3255

If they participate in sexual immorality they will reap the consequences in one way or another. Do you want to take a stab at answering the question I asked? Or must every discussion with Universalists go off track on every point. (sorry if I seem to be growing weary of this debate style).

Universalism also argues that God's will cannot be subverted and so they say that God wills all men to be saved. Red has said over and over again ad nauseum that he believes God will accomplish His will and all will be saved. So a simple question that should be able to receive a simple answer:

Do people refrain from sexual immorality in our culture today? Is God's will being done when people participate in sexual immorality?

How about just answering the question with an answer and not another question?

See post #3256

Redfin will you repent of the lying accusation or will you continue to work for your father the devil, who is the father of liars?

 

[PKevman]

Why do you misrepresent me? I did not offer the conversion of Paul as "...proof that God forces people to accept Him..." (emphasis mine) I offered it as evidence that God made him willing. You may not be able to force someone to want something, but you can indeed create a situation that will convince them to want it. I trust you understand the difference. Remember "The Hornets?"

The Hornets

To the tune of This Is Like Heaven To Me

If a nest of live hornets were brought to this room
And the creatures allowed to go free,
You would not need urgings to make yourself scarce
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
They would not lay hold and by force of their strength
Throw you out of the window, oh no,
They would not compel you to go 'gainst your will
But they would just make you willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin,
God sent along hornets to bring them to time
And help his own people to win.
The hornets persuaded them that it was best
To go quickly, and not to go slow:
God did not compel them to go 'gainst their will
But he just made them willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Jonah was sent to the work of the Lord
The outlook was not very bright;
He had never done such a hard thing before
So he backed and ran off from the fight.
But God sent a big fish to swallow him up,
The story I'm sure you all know,
He did not compel him to go 'gainst his will
But he just made him willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land.
Resisting his spirit they worshipped a calf,
And refused to obey God's command.
God did not compel them to go to the land
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow,
But fed them on manna for forty long years
'Till he got them ready to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Balaam was sent to the Moabite kingd,
And wanted things run his own way,
His mule, ever faithful, spoke at the right time,
Made him willing God's will to obey.
God can use any man, since He used Balaam's mule,
For He is Almighty you know;
He does not compel us to go, 'against our will
But He just makes us willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.


Please cite the Scripture verse that says "Paul could have rejected at any time God's plan for his life."


You or I may not be able to make someone love us, but I believe God can. We love Him because He first loved us. I believe God who, again, knows us better than we know ourselves, would know exactly what it would take to allure us to Himself. Isn't that what He's doing to Israel? Making her jealous so as to create a desire?

I think the only reason you folks repeatedly do this stuff (see Zadok) is to obscure when excellent points or questions are raised that you don't want to answer. So you post big long posts. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seems to be something I have observed time and again......