He is talking about the Kingdom of God as in Heaven. He is warning us that few will find it.
Fire of the Ages. A poetic way of saying forever.logos_x said:
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Nineveh
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Too bad you ignore it.
I was in fear... paralyzing fear until I repentented. Had I not repented my sins would have been put on my shoulders to deal with. Then I would have been like the people you keep alluding to, calling myself by the Name of Christ yet fearing the lake.
You tried to deny my witness the first time it stood in opposition to your beliefs. Now, just as then, you can believe whatever you like, but you can not deny my witness.
So?
I have no doubt God has done everything necessary for the salvation of men... except force it on them.
Were you aware the Bible has more to say than your favorite proof text?
It appears you just loath the idea of consequences. God is Just. Without God being Just He can not be Loving.
Ignore what? Jesus's answer about all kinds of things being possible for God? :liberals: What exactly am I supposed to be ignoring? If this is some cheap shot at myself then I repented - and continue to repent - many years ago...
I dont deny any of your witness, you wouldnt be the first nor the last to have been terrified into belief, but if I recall it was the conviction of your actions towards others that caused true repentance wasnt it? The realisation that the hurt and wrong you'd caused had brought you to tears? I apologise if I'm wrong here but this is how i recollect your words, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong,
Fear in itself rarely holds people in its thrall for long if belief is solely founded in it, thats why I've seen many leave because its only the fear of an incomprehensible 'punishment' that keeps them in the church, true belief and true repentance come from within and no paralyzing fear is involved for it to be genuine
This is pathetic Nineveh, ya remember when I said I was 'tired of being misrepresented by other posters', well this is what I was on about, taking a snippet of someones post and completely misrepresenting what they were saying, unless you have the arrogance to presume that all of those who dont share your doctrine are incapable of belief in God then you might want to debate like an adult on this issue, its utterly hypocritical for you to expect an apology from me when you've just prooved my initial complaint was correct...
Which nobody has said God would do....this has been explained to you so many times by now and yet you persist in this strawman, God wont force anyone, and if force is such an abhorrence to you why would you think that God would force people into an eternal torture pit?
Of course, as has been evidenced throughout this thread, its all over the word when one looks without indoctrinated glasses..
Thats ridiculous, we face consequences for our actions all the time - both good and bad so the idea of loathing consequence is crazy, it just happens to make more sense to believe that the consequences will serve an ultimate purpose instead of a futile state of suffering which serves nothing, I dont disagree that God is just, just not with the warped and nonsensical view that the only way that God can be both just and loving is to cast people off forever into eternal misery
Nineveh
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Golly... the majority of the Bible that spells out most hate God.
It was knowing I was a sinner. Firstly, that I was an idolatrous pagan. The harm I had caused others came to me later.
What is pathetic is you think your beliefs trump what God says.
Strawmen like: "I'm sorry you cant believe that God himself can accomplish his will,..."?
God doesn't force anyone into the lake. It's their choice. Beyond that your wishful belief they have forever to repent is merely that, your wishful destructive belief.
Funny thing, I've offered many verses you choose to ignore while you keep repeating your same 2 or 3 as if that nullifies the entire Bible pointing out that most men throughout history have been rebellious towards God.
FAS has a whole thread of you and your excuses trying to get murderers out of their consequences. Same here with eternal seperation from God.
It's as if you have never even considered what Christ said or what He went through for you.
address the issue, Jesus knew that with left to his own devices mankind would be incapable of his own salvation and answered accordingly, why do you think the disciples were so shocked?
Then it was still genuine conviction, fear doesnt cause one to genuinely repent of actions
No, what is pathetic is that you've been called on your own misrepresenatation and have no answer, you expect an apology for induldging in the very thing I took issue with you on in the first place, taking a snippet of a post amounts to nothing more than juvenility and is a 'cheap shot' at best, you are being a complete hypocrite
Well you dont, you believe that most of God's creation is lost forever in some eternal hellhole of one kind or another despite God's intention to save his own world, the strawman is that people will 'choose' to go to a place of unending torment, yeah right.....God wont have to 'force' anyone to do that at all will he?
2 0r 3? Its plastered all over the word if you'd care to have read this thread! Logos X pasted a multitude of verses a few pages ago which are conveniently overlooked, which verses have i not supposedly addressed? You would sooner have God's will destroyed and will yourself nullify any verse given that speaks of a grander plan that you deem God capable of....
You mean the thread which you still havent addressed yet despite being invited to? You still havent had any answer for both mine and Morpheus's counters to you, I dont need to make excuses for either my stance on capital punishment nor eternal separation, you seem to be finding excuses for justifying putting innocent people to death as well as the unending agony of people despite it not being God's will
What a complete non answer and yet another misrepresentation of my belief, Is this really all you have?
logos_x
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Nineveh...everyone has been rebellious toward God.
That is precisely why we need a Savior.
An eternal separation from God is not required to do what God is doing...which is saving sinners.
Now, your argument above falls far short because you seem to think that eternal torment somehow proves what Christ has done for us. By now it should be quite obvious that this is not the case...in fact it should, by now, sound so ridiculous as to make everyone laugh at how stupid we were for not seeing it before.
How would we know God as Saviour unless we NEED a Saviour...and how would we know Him as Saviour unless He REALLY DOES SAVE us?
Eternal torment is not good for ANYTHING.
Nineveh
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logos_x
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What questions haven't I answered Nineveh?
logos_x
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Nineveh
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Talk about addressing the issue. Most of the Bible stands against you. Most people throught history have hated God. When are you going to address this?
How would you know one way or the other? I was there and the fear of God brought me to my knees in repentance.
hmmm what God says or what red wants to believe... which should I choose... that's a real toughie....
But when going against what God says, that's exactly what you are doing. No, you don't need to offer your excuses, you could just take God at His word. But then you would actually have to believe Him instead of relying on your own beliefs.
That wasn't a statement about your beliefs, that was an observation.
Nineveh
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Man logos... this gets old.
Is someone who is thrown in prison subjugated to the law?
If so, does this mean their heart is subjugated to the judge who put them there?
Instead of going on a preaching spree this time, how about just answering the questions?
logos_x
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http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1381196&postcount=2952
Nineveh..I answered the questions in the above post. You have rejected the answer...and that is not my fault.
Answer to the first question...yes.
Answer to the second is simply that this is not the end-all solution to sin. Jesus is also the Savior, not just the judge...and He will employ true justice, not a blanket judgement upon all men forever.
It's really quite simple.
What exactly is your definition of hate? Unbelief? Agnosticism? and yes - why dont you address the issue? Why is it so difficult to explain what Jesus's answer to the disciples meant, is it because to believe ET to be true means that the clear answer given to the disciples has to be twisted to mean that all kinds of things are NOT in fact possible for God?
Because any genuine remorse is not coaxed by fear, anyone can shed 'crocodile' tears but the real thing is genuine regardless of who that person is - not just yourself
God says he came not to judge the world but to save it, that he is the saviour of all men, that he wills all men to be safe and find the truth etc etc etc, its up to you if you choose to believe that or not
I do believe as God says, that the shedding of innocent blood is an abhorrence, it seems as though you have no excuses for the amount of innocent blood that would be shed under our present judicial system were CP to be enforced, many other Christians take issue and still believe the word of God - and still believe murder to be worthy of death,
and still no answer for your pathetic misrepresentation, fair enough, just dont bother hounding me anymore for an apology when you cant even address your own fault
It was a very innaccurate and mirepresentational observation, one doesnt need to believe in ET to accept the power of Jesus's sacrifice, please stop doing it....
Aimiel
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If one ever wishes to be in a relationship with Him one does, since calling Him a liar isn't conducive to a relationship with Him. :think:
logos_x
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There you go again!!!
JESUS NEVER TAUGHT ETERNAL TORMENT.
It is NOT calling Him a liar to point that out!
then perhaps you'll want to take it up with God why you dont believe he can accomplish his mission to save the world and his being the saviour of all men, I dont believe he was lying...
Aimiel
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There you go, again. YES HE DID. You call Him a liar and reject sound doctrine when you say otherwise.
logos_x
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What He taught was "aionion kolasin". NOT eternal...but aionion!
You call Him a liar when you reject the sound doctrine when you say otherwise.
Aimiel
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No, He clearly stated that not everyone will be saved, and that many were called but few were chosen and that His Own Blood was given as a ransom for many, not all. You need to reconcile your 'universal' hogwash with The Entire Word of God, and not just with your own 'proof-texts.'
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