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Totton Linnet

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musterion said:
You outies ain't going anywhere. It's already sewn up, just like our next election.
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It's true money allus wins. there is only one purpose for the free movement of people, it is for the subjugation of the work force, making them accept conditions and lower wages. They are creating a serfdom.


What will they be like when they total control? if we vote remain tomorra they are going dump on us BIG TIME
 
Totton Linnet

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Desert Reign said:
One last time, here is my position:

The list is far from exhaustive, I could easily extend it but tiredness prevents. And I tried to avoid some of the tired issues that are in the headlines so as to make my points a little more interesting. I used to be a Europhile and learnt to speak French very fluently – French people noticed my accent but thought I was from another part of the country! And of course I lived in Paris and married Julie there. Like a lot of people in the Leave leadership, I also still appreciate the interacting with different cultures. It is something that has really enlarged my intellect greatly. But the EU itself is quite a different issue now. Anyway, here is my list:

I agree wholeheartedly that it is not about Cameron or Gove or Farage, but about our children and grandchildren. So this is what I have thought after much research and deliberation… I have pasted it in from another email I sent to someone. It is really only touching on a few issues but it will give you a flavour of my views.

I am unashamedly in the Brexit camp. My reasons for it are clear and sober.
1. Over the years, our prime ministers have voted 70+ times in the council of ministers of the EU on matters which potentially affect our country. In precisely none of these votes was our will obtained. This means that Remain talk of 'influencing the EU from within' is pie in the sky. We have never influenced EU decision-making one single iota in the past. Why would anyone expect us to in the future? It also means that we are not represented in the EU whatsoever - we simply have to do as we are told.
2. In the EU Court of Justice (the supreme court, the final arbiter from which there is no redress) over about a hundred or more actions, we have won no more than 30%.
3. On the basis of 1 and 2, it is clear that the British simply do not see eye to eye with the EU. Our thinking is completely different: it took us over 10 years to get rid of Abu Hamza, a proven hate-monger. Why, because we had to follow liberal humanitarian principles as determined by the ECHR. We are a pragmatic people, they are idealistic. I don't see the point in sharing a bed with them just for the sake of it. We get nothing out of it at all.
4. For all these negative points we have the privilege of being the second largest net contributor to the EU budget. We pay a net figure of about £10b for the honour of being never listened to, not represented at all and really being the one 'they saw coming a mile off', everybody's fool.
5. Half of our laws are determined for us by the EU Commission, not by parliament. This has led to a number of occasions where our parties have made promises they were unable to keep because the ECJ overruled it. We cannot abolish tampon tax, we cannot reduce VAT on home heating bills and myriad other issues. Worse is that this EU Commission that makes all the laws is unelected. It consists mostly of former government ministers from member states who have lost elections and who somehow manage to get a permanent job for their retirement. And they invent silly laws like the shape of vegetables that are allowed to be sold in shops. Which means that all the mis-shapes just get thrown away. But there is nothing whatsoever that anyone can do to challenge these laws or the people who make them.
6. The EU has made huge mistakes in the past such as creating butter mountains so that farmers can be given subsidies. Or by the fisheries policy which has totally ruined our own fishing industry, with its silly wasteful laws that if you bring in a catch more than your quota, you have to dump the excess into the sea. The main object of these subsidies is to protect EU industries at the expense of third world industries, especially agricultural ones.
7. Not content with correcting their mistakes, they pursue them. Here is another mistake. Allowing many more countries into the union who were much poorer than the existing members. For example, freedom of movement of workers worked well when all the countries were economically equal. It means that if we have a surfeit of scientists, they can work happily in Holland, or vice versa. The principle worked well but the EU can’t see the difference between idealism and practice. The result is that all the poorest workers rush to the richest countries with their minimum wages and social benefits. Such mass movements were surely not intended when the idea was conceived, yet the EU can’t distinguish between idea and reality.
Time prevents me from saying more, of letting Greece into the Euro knowing they were not economically ready for it, of being ready to let Turkey in (and Cameron will not veto this).

We simply do not belong here. In, we will totally lose our identity since we have to do only what we are told. We need to take control of our country and our borders.

As I said, I am unashamedly voting leave, though I once loved Europe and it seemed a great idea, but it has lost its way and its move to ever closer union is not something I can cope with as we have no say whatsoever in what is going on. Our parliament will become redundant, it will not matter what party you vote for as all the major decisions will be made for us. We might as well let Parliament become a historic museum or a meeting place for hire.
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There is corporate America, the EU is corporate Europe.
 
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Totton Linnet said:
Because the whole project has always been a united state of Europe, They have flooded Britain with east Europeans and if we stay in they will flood us with Bulgarians and Turks.

It is Nazism on the creepy creep creep
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But it is ok if it is muslims. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field....
 
musterion

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Settle it.

Was William Branham a false prophet who spoke by a demon masquerading as an angel of God?

Was Eve impregnated by the serpent?
 
Totton Linnet

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I am not a conservative, half the free world is not conservative...I believe in helping others along and I like my taxes to be spent that way, if a majority agree with me then we get a different government, that's democracy.
 
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Desert Reign said:
One last time, here is my position:

The list is far from exhaustive, I could easily extend it but tiredness prevents. And I tried to avoid some of the tired issues that are in the headlines so as to make my points a little more interesting. I used to be a Europhile and learnt to speak French very fluently – French people noticed my accent but thought I was from another part of the country! And of course I lived in Paris and married Julie there. Like a lot of people in the Leave leadership, I also still appreciate the interacting with different cultures. It is something that has really enlarged my intellect greatly. But the EU itself is quite a different issue now. Anyway, here is my list:
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I found this post very interesting. It's thoughtful, detailed, and reasonable. Whether you convince me doesn't really matter, since it's not my country and I won't be voting in it, but I can certainly see where you're coming from, and I appreciate that.
 
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rexlunae said:
I found this post very interesting. It's thoughtful, detailed, and reasonable. Whether you convince me doesn't really matter, since it's not my country and I won't be voting in it, but I can certainly see where you're coming from, and I appreciate that.
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Ya know what Merkel told Obama?

Speaking about bringing about change Obama said "of course in the States we have the constitution" [indicating that it was a barrier to change] Merkel winked and said "ah we have found a way around such things"

That is what all these treaties are about, Maastricht, Lisbon etc which gave over to Brussels so many powers, whenever they want to by-pass a national law they sign a treaty which supercedes it.

These people really do want to become a superstate...then what? when they have total control? at the moment they throw us little tibits like workers right etc and that keeps everyone sweet.

Did anyone know that Lisbon gave the British government power to invite the German police and army to help quell civil unrest?
 
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Totton Linnet said:
Ya know what Merkel told Obama?

Speaking about bringing about change Obama said "of course in the States we have the constitution" [indicating that it was a barrier to change] Merkel winked and said "ah we have found a way around such things"

That is what all these treaties are about, Maastricht, Lisbon etc which gave over to Brussels so many powers, whenever they want to by-pass a national law they sign a treaty which supercedes it.

These people really do want to become a superstate...then what? when they have total control? at the moment they throw us little tibits like workers right etc and that keeps everyone sweet.

Did anyone know that Lisbon gave the British government power to invite the German police and army to help quell civil unrest?
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Where are you getting that?
 
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