I think the sun moves around the earth like God tells us.
Yes, I use them for the view and the image, I can't control what text is put on them. I knew when a read that and saw it that it's not a "hot spot" because that doesn't happen on earth. I used common sense just like you but thanks for your deception concerns because I pointed out, you are using deceptive images of a red line showing curvature through plane windows. Just so you're aware, Derf.
I haven't seen you give any kind of explanation about your scripture posts that suggests they are flat earth proofs.
I certainly have many many times and get accused of repeating myself. I'll do them again but you can find them yourself and rebut them yourself as I didn't interpret them from a flat earth pastor. You found an ant-flat earth pastor and you're using his interpretations. Have I ever said proof about the scriptures? Even "proofs" I've never said. I maintain it's possible. Don't be a little girl and post 8 question marks before you know my interpretations. For that, you can find my interpretations yourself. I'll give you a hint. Earth is the focus and center of God's greatest creation, mankind and earth. That's why God set the earth as a tabernacle FOR the sun. The sun runs a circuit, running a race. Does that sound to you like the sun is moving or the earth? God never says the earth moves, follows the sun, runs a race OR a circuit, nor PLACED IN the firmament. You can find the rest and try doing it yourself on interpreting after that we can both post from any pastor we want. Try videos, they seem popular.
Yep! And I could see this curvature the many times I flew in Naval aircraft! That is why I am not a believer in flat earth models.This website is attempting to cut through the flat earth arguments. He does a pretty good job.
This particular page (http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/) is dedicated to the supposed biblical support for a flat earth. He handles a number of the verses used by flat earthers. Here's one I think he did well, but he missed something:
They point to Daniel 4:10 to proclaim there is a center of their flat earth.
Daniel 4:10 “Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.”
This is just another example of them taking a verse completely out of context to try to prove their agenda. This passage is not talking about the design of the earth or the place that is the center.
The ‘tree in the midst of the earth‘ that Daniel was describing was king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, who reigned over the kingdoms of the earth.
He was humbled more than any man, and made to eat grass as the cattle of the field, which at the end of his punishment, caused him to praise his Creator.
How flat-earthers don’t bother to read the rest of the chapter, I cannot understand. Verses 20-22 tell you who the tree represents.
The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth; whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation: it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.
Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible: A tree: those that write of the language of the East tell us that a tree denote some excellent man. Thus the prophet Ezekiel, Ezekiel 31 throughout, describes the king of Assyria, and Pharaoh king of Egypt, in their flourish, height, and great fall, comparing them to huge cedars.
And besides that, everyone on the flat earth can’t see the sun, which is supposedly 3,000 miles high, so how would they all see a giant tree?
The thing he missed was that if this refers to a real tree, and that tree was in "the midst of the earth", then it must have been growing in the arctic ocean, since the north pole is recognized by most flat earthers as the center of the world, especially so when flight paths are based on a "great circle" concept.
He also has a page on curved horizon pictures taken from high elevations. Here are a few, where he includes added straight lines to compare the curvature against.
White line added:
Red line added:
Red line added:
I think the sun moves around the earth like God tells us.
Psalm 19:1-7 KJV - The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
You don't know that spot was deceptive. Derf, I've known I was on a BALL shaped earth for 45 years I'll be 50 soon. I don't need convincing I'm on a ball, I lived it. I went to school and a year of college so far. You can't see curvature from a plane, period. No matter how much you scream it and show red lines. The high altitude balloon video, from what I saw was a flat horizon every time the balloon was level.
Sides just means extremities. For Isaiah, what is in view is probably Mt. Hermon, which lies at the northern extremity of Israel.
Sides just means extremities. For Isaiah, what is in view is probably Mt. Hermon, which lies at the northern extremity of Israel.
I've been to the top of Mt. Hermon in a humvee. You can see all the way to Damascus to the northeast, and most of Lebanon to the northwest, all the way to the Mediterranean. Oh, and you can see the curvature of the earth, too.
Actually, Sherman never said she saw the curvature, I asked straight up, so yeah I trust here testimony. She replied with a fairly long post about flying too many times, she never said YES. Nobody has ever seem the curvature from any mountain. Wick is lying or he was hallucinating. Ask him if he was serious about "seeing" the curvature. It seems we can't trust some of our very own members daqq. :idunno:Well, I just meant from his own experience because he said he was there, (at Mt Hermon). Kind of like Sherman has personal experience in Naval aircraft and thus, to me, such testimony from those whom we are somewhat familiar with, from right here in this forum, holds more weight with me because of the simple fact that we are dealing with online image files which anyone can doctor. Sherman says she has seen the curvature of the earth while flying Naval aircraft; Wick Stick says he has seen the curvature of the earth from Mt Hermon: those things seem more credible to me so I just thought an image file from the top of Mt Hermon would be cool. But then again, maybe not, because WS might open himself up to being accused of doctoring his own picture or not being smart enough to realize it was the camera lens, lol. :idunno:
:e4e: Maybe @ Sherman said so today because she saw the fake pictures from [MENTION=17606]Derf[/MENTION] ?
Well, I just meant from his own experience because he said he was there, (at Mt Hermon). Kind of like Sherman has personal experience in Naval aircraft and thus, to me, such testimony from those whom we are somewhat familiar with, from right here in this forum, holds more weight with me because of the simple fact that we are dealing with online image files which anyone can doctor. Sherman says she has seen the curvature of the earth while flying Naval aircraft; Wick Stick says he has seen the curvature of the earth from Mt Hermon: those things seem more credible to me so I just thought an image file from the top of Mt Hermon would be cool. But then again, maybe not, because WS might open himself up to being accused of doctoring his own picture or not being smart enough to realize it was the camera lens, lol. :idunno:
