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Biblical and Political Arguments Against Democracy
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Sorry, Jefferson, I don't see how Mark 9 shows or implies this in any way, shape, or form either! Do you simply fail to understand the point I am making? That, so far, none of the Biblical passages quoted have anything whatsoever to do with the so-called "Biblical arguments against democracy" they are being (mis)used to "support."Jefferson said:
God did desire a king for Israel, eventually. Just not when they wanted one. But, because He is affected by us, He gave them one when they demanded one. And God knew He would probably regret it, and He did. But that doesn't mean He never wanted them to have a king at all.
Whether he desires it or not, he doesn't get his position because he desires it. Nor does he get personal power, anyway. He can't change the Constitution.:nono:Jukia said:
He doesn't have to change the Constitution. He controls everything--the judiciary, the military, land use, enforces the criminal law,decides where to spend tax $, and no one can prosecute him if he violates the Constitution because he "awaits the Judgment of God"Lighthouse said:
Oh, yeah, that'll work.
He can't raise taxes, though. And, I do agree that he should be answerable to more than just God, however, the kings of Israel weren't, and there were many kings that ruled properly.Jukia said:
And your only concern is taxes?Lighthouse said:
Fine, I'll make a deal with you, you dont have to pay any taxes, but we'll start a new Gulag system in the US and you can be one of the first "workers". For chuckles, read the book Gulag and find out what an unrestrained ruler can do. Remember that fallen nature of man some of you are always dragging out? Guess what, even monarchs would have it.
The only thing that is more moronic than Enyart's Constitution is Walt Brown's hydroplate theory.
No, taxes are not my only concern. Nor do I think that not paying any taxes is right. And I misspoke earlier. I meant we should drop sales tax, not income tax. But I do believe inheritance tax is wrong. And so is property tax.Jukia said:
Have you read any of the accounts of the kings of Israel? I know they were fallen. And many of them did things they should not have done. And they were only answerable to God. But there were those who did good, as well. Even some who are known for doing both. And that's the way it is in any government. No one thinks that things would be different under this kind of rule. We only perceive that it would be better than majority rule/democracy/democratic republic.
I don't smoke. And as far as drinks, I'm a rum man. But I would like to try a Vesper Martini.
I don't get this at all.Jefferson said:
Winning office means a million things to do, not enough resources to do them, a little less than half the people slightly to moderatly pissed at you, the press prying into every corner of your life, and to top it all off Jefferson acusing you of being power hungry.
I'd say being rich would bring more power then winning office.
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Biblical argument against democracy: "As in the modern vernacular, the Bible calls governing officials 'authorities': Titus 3"
Well, for the life of me, I don't see how this can be construed as a Biblical argument against democracy! Let's see...
As we do in our modern democracy, the Bible calls governing officials "authorities," which somehow demonstrates that the Bible, although in agreement with our democratic society on this (utterly trivial, and translation-specific) point, opposes that same democracy.
Is that it? Bob E, you gotta help us out here! So far your supposed Biblical arguments against democracy have either nothing whatsoever to do with the Biblical passages you claim to derive them from, or else, as in the present case, they simply make no sense whatsoever. And since these passages have been chosen by a random number generator, I'm starting to suspect that this problem permeates your entire case.
Biblical argument against democracy: "As in the modern vernacular, the Bible calls governing officials 'authorities': Titus 3"
Well, for the life of me, I don't see how this can be construed as a Biblical argument against democracy! Let's see...
As we do in our modern democracy, the Bible calls governing officials "authorities," which somehow demonstrates that the Bible, although in agreement with our democratic society on this (utterly trivial, and translation-specific) point, opposes that same democracy.
Is that it? Bob E, you gotta help us out here! So far your supposed Biblical arguments against democracy have either nothing whatsoever to do with the Biblical passages you claim to derive them from, or else, as in the present case, they simply make no sense whatsoever. And since these passages have been chosen by a random number generator, I'm starting to suspect that this problem permeates your entire case.
Jesus was referring to government. He was referring to His comming kingdom - "So Jesus said to them, 'Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'" (Matthew 19:28)aharvey said:
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