Battle Royale XIV discussion thread

[Brother Vinny]

There are many more good stories in the Apocrypha than just that one.
I am fond of the stories of the Maccabees and how they fought against diluting their religion with paganism.

I'm fond of a passage that hung in my Presbyterian doctor's office. Forget which book it was, but it was generally complimentary towards the profession of physicians. Such a thing would be hand having in the Bible when one has to deal with, oh, I don't know, Christian Scientists?

 

[brandplucked]

Answer the Question, sir.

Answer the Question, sir.

Well, I guess I can't expect you to answer a straight question as I was actually specifically asking the question to GA. But since you have commented on it, then can you answer the question directly?

Did the 100% inerrant 'Holy Scriptures' in written form exist before 1769? Do you agree with Will Kinney that they didn't and that 1769 a.d. was the first time in human history that the full inerrant text of God's word was available in any language?

I can sort of hear your response already: 'Well, it's sort of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other; and I can really see both sides' points of view and I am a much better person due to this and I am sure that you would get a lot more respect for your views if you stopped telling all of us what your views are and just sit on the fence like I do (because everybody knows that if you keep your views to yourself, everyone will respect them a lot more), and blah, blah, blah'. Anything but answer the question. Are you going to get off the fence and answer this simple question?

And you never know. Perhaps you will become a better person if you actually answer a question for once. It might be an eye-opener for you.

Hi DR. How about YOU give it an honest shot, sir? Answer the question. Think through what it is you really believe and try not to dodge the questions.


Do you believe that ANY Bible in any language, translated or untranslated, is now or ever was the complete (66 books on one volume), inerrant and 100% true words of God? Yes or No?

If Yes, can you show us a copy? Or can you tell us exactly which one it is, so that we too can go out and get one for ourselves? Yes or No?

If No, you do not believe there is now or ever has been such a thing as a complete and inerrant words of God Bible in any language, are you honest enough to admit it? Yes or No?

 

[Right Divider]

There are many more good stories in the Apocrypha than just that one.

My grandpa used to tell a lot of good stories. Maybe if he had written them down, we could include those too.

I am fond of the stories of the Maccabees and how they fought against diluting their religion with paganism.

Fondness does not scripture make.

 

[George Affleck]

I'd like to just add that Mr. Kinney has expressed the view that in all previous history (and I would say this goes back to Moses) there was never a preserved text of 'God's Word'. There was no papyrus, stone or ketchup in the sand at all. Until 1769. So he would interpret your supposed promise of God to preserve his inerrant word as meaning that one day, at a specific time in the future, namely 1769 a.d., God would make good his promise but until then no one could have access to an inerrant version of that word.

Do you agree with Mr. Kinney on this GA?

I do not agree that the individual writings were not in existence somewhere if that is what Mr. Kinney is saying. And I would caution you to make sure that you are quoting him correctly.
My conviction is that the scriptures have always been preserved in communicable form but not necessarily accessible. The evidence of this is that we have them in collected form today. Had they not been preserved, we would not have them.

The difference we are talking about is the preservation of text vs. the collection of that text into a volume we call the Bible. The truth, in communicable form has always existed from the time Moses brought the tablets down the mountain; perhaps before. Since then God has seen fit to protect it from loss and inspire men to increase it from seed form into a final work. Yet even in seed form it was inerrant and preserved for posterity.

God will never judge based on information people do not have; but if they have it in a format they can understand, much more will be required of them. If the general public cannot read, it would be pointless to give them a Bible. But as soon as they can read, God provides them, in history, with a Bible.

 

[brandplucked]

READ the post. Look at the examples. Think!

READ the post. Look at the examples. Think!

[*]The third reason is that he agrees with the doctrines that come from using the KJV.
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That is the worst reason he has given, since it implies that he judges the Bible based on the doctrines he believes instead of humbling himself enough to change his doctrines to match the Bible when he is shown his doctrines are based on a mistranslation or on verses that were added to the Bible at a later time.

GO, you are talking about something you haven't even read. May I suggest you actually READ the examples from your bible babble buffet versions first before you make some snap judgments about my need to change doctrines.

The rules won't let me include the links until the end. But anyone can simply copy and paste an example of the doctrinal errors in these fake bible versions, and type in my website 'Another King James Bible believer' and do a Google search. That will bring you to the actual articles you are referring to that you obviously have not read yet.

Fake Bible Versions DO teach false doctrines - Links to examples

http://brandplucked.webs.com/fakebiblesdoctrine.htm

Fake Bible Versions DO teach and pervert several biblical doctrines, and the infallibility of the Bible (any bible in any language) is a huge doctrine that most Christians do not believe anymore.

“For ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.” Jeremiah 23:36

I have often heard from those who do not believe that ANY Bible in any language IS the complete and 100% true words of God that No Doctrines have been changed in the various, contradictory bible versions on the market today, so what’s the big deal? The purpose of the articles linked here is to point out some critical areas of Christian doctrine that most definitely have been changed and even perverted.

The links provided will lead you (if interested) to a much more developed article that goes into more depth showing how each particular doctrine has been affected.

# 1. Can God be deceived? The NASB says that the children of Israel deceived God. Not just "tried to deceive" or "thought they had deceived" but deceived Him.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/eze149ps7836deceive.htm

# 2. Did the Son of God have an "origin from ancient times" or "his goings forth are from everlasting"? Did He have a beginning or is He eternal? Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH have been of old, FROM EVERLASTING."

“from everlasting” - Coverdale, Bishops’ bible, Geneva, RV, ASV, NKJV, NASB

Micah 5:2 - “The NIV - "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose ORIGINS are from of old, FROM ANCIENT TIMES."
“Origin from ancient times” - NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Holman, Jehovah Witness version, more recent Catholic versions


http://brandplucked.webs.com/micah52heb211origin.htm

# 3. Who controls the world, God or Satan?

Several modern fake bibles teach it is Satan -


1 John 5:19 “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world LIETH IN WICKEDNESS.” Wycliffe, Coverdale, Bishops’ Bible, Geneva Bible, Youngs, Third Millenium Bible

The NIV says: "The whole world is UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE EVIL ONE." NASB, ESV, ISV, Holman, Catholic St. Joseph, NET

http://brandplucked.webs.com/satanorgodcontrols.htm

# 4. Is your righteousness before God the fine linen of the righteousness of Christ, or your "righteous deeds" as several fake bibles and the modern Catholic versions teach?

Revelation 19:8 - “And to her (the Bride of Christ) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white; FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SAINTS."

“The fine linen is the righteousness of saints” - Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops’ Bible, Geneva Bible, Third Millenium Bible

Revelation 19:8 NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Catholic versions - “for the fine linen is THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the saints.”



“The fine linen is the righteousness of saints” - Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops’ Bible, Geneva Bible, Third Millenium Bible
Revelation 19:8 NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Catholic versions - “for the fine linen is THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the saints.”
http://brandplucked.webs.com/rev198finelinen.htm

# 5.Can man "speed up" the coming of the day of God's judgment, or is it already marked by God on the calendar to the day and month?



2 Peter 3:12 KJB - "Looking for and HASTING UNTO the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.”

ESV - "Waiting for and HASTENING the coming of the day of God"

NIV - “as you look forward to the day of God and SPEED ITS COMING.”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/2peter312hastingunto.htm



# 6. Do ghosts, or the departed spirits of the human dead exist? Modern Versions say they do.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/ghosts.htm


# 7. Lucifer or morning star?

Isaiah 14:12 - "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God..."

LUCIFER - Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale's 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, Bishop's Bible 1568, Douay-Rheims 1582, Geneva Bible 1599, Darby, NKJV 1982

Revelation 22:16 - “I Jesus...am the bright and MORNING STAR.”

Isaiah 14:12 - "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR.”

MORNING STAR - NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, RSV, ESV, NET, Catholic St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible.

ESV - "How you are fallen from heaven, O DAY STAR, son of Dawn!"

NIV - "How you have fallen from heaven, MORNING STAR, son of the dawn!"



http://brandplucked.webs.com/luciferormorningstar.htm

(more to come)

 

[brandplucked]

Fake bibles DO teach false doctrines

Fake bibles DO teach false doctrines

# 8. Fornication or Immorality?

1 Corinthians s 6:18 - "Flee FORNICATION. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth FORNICATION sinneth against his own body."

FORNICATION = ”Sexual intercourse between unmarried people” Wycliffe, Tyndale, Bishops Bible, Douay-Rheims, Geneva Bible, RV, ASV

1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee from SEXUAL IMMORALITY. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the SEXUALLY IMMORAL PERSON sins against his own body."

IMMORALITY = However you want to define it. What’s immoral for you may not be immoral for me. NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem bible

http://brandplucked.webs.com/fornicationimmoral.htm

# 9. Rejoice or Be Proud? Are Pride and Boasting Christian virtues?

Philippians 2:16 “Holding forth the word of life; that I MAY REJOICE in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”

REJOICE - Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, Young's literal, Webster's 1833, NKJV 1982

Philippians 2:16 NIV - "in order that I MAY BOAST in the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing."

ESV "THAT I MAY BE PROUD that I did not run in vain"

BE PROUD, BOAST, GLORY - NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Holman

On the day of Christ, when we finally see the full glory of God Almighty, we will not be standing around boasting of our accomplishments and patting one another on the back and telling them how proud we are of them. Nobody will be boasting or proud of his personal accomplishments in the day of the Lord Jesus. Instead we will all be flat on our faces worshipping the Lamb who alone is worthy to receive praise, honour and glory

http://brandplucked.webs.com/mvsprideasvirtue.htm

# 10. Heretic or A Divisive Person?

According to the Modern Versions even Jesus Himself should be avoided because He was divisive; but He was not a heretic.

Titus 3:10 KJB - “"A man that is an HERETIC after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Heretic - Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Geneva Bible, Revised Version, Third Millenium Bible.

Titus 3:10 NKJV 1982 - "Reject A DIVISIVE MAN after the first and second admonition.”

A Divisive Person - NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET

http://brandplucked.webs.com/hereticordivisive.htm


# 11. Who was with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fiery furnace, “the Son of God” or “a son of the gods”?

Daniel 3:25 - "and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."

“The Son of God” Wycliffe, Bishops’ bible, Geneva Bible, Douay-Rheims, Lamsa’s Syriac Peshitta, NKJV, Third Millenium Bible

Daniel 3:25 - “and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

“a son of the gods” - NIV, NASB, RSV, ESV, Holman, Catholic Jerusalem bible, Jehovah Witness New World Version

http://brandplucked.webs.com/dan325thesonofgod.htm



# 12. 2 Samuel 14:14 KJB- "Neither doth God respect any person" or

NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV - "God does not take away life"?

http://brandplucked.webs.com/2sam14luke24.htm



# 13. "the just shall live by his FAITH" or "the just shall live by his FAITHFULNESS"?

KJB - "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live BY HIS FAITH."

NIV 1978 and 1982 editions - "See, HE is puffed up; his desires are not upright - but the righteous will live BY HIS FAITH."

NIV 2011 edition - "See, THE ENEMY is puffed up; his desires are not upright - but the righteous PERSON will live by HIS FAITHFULNESS."

There is a world of difference between the just living by faith and the just living by his faithfulness. The first is the principle of living by the faith God has given us to believe the gospel of the grace of God in redeeming us through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. The second - "the just shall live by his FAITHFULNESS" - is to remove the entire focus away from what Christ has done for us and to place it on ourselves, our performance and our own works.

The big theological question to ask is this - Does the just live by FAITH, meaning by what he believes about what God has done for us in Christ, or by his FAITHFULNESS, meaning how he lives?

The whole Reformation began with God opening the eyes of Martin Luther when he read the passage "The just shall live by his FAITH." He was finally freed from the heavy yoke of trying to obtain his own righteousness through the works and self merit system of the Roman Catholic Church.


http://brandplucked.webs.com/habakkuk24.htm



# 14. John 7:8-10 Did Jesus lie or tell the truth? If He lied, then He sinned, and He can't be our Saviour.

KJB - "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, THEN went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret."

ESV, NIV 2011 edition, NASB - "You go to the feast. I AM NOT GOING up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come. After saying this he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, THEN HE ALSO WENT UP, not publicly but in private." (ESV)

http://brandplucked.webs.com/john78didjesuslie.htm

(more to come)

 

[brandplucked]

Fake bibles DO teach false doctrines

Fake bibles DO teach false doctrines

# 15. KJB - Acts 13:33 and Psalms 2:7 "Thou are my Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE."

NIV, NET - "You are my son; TODAY I HAVE BECOME YOUR FATHER."

In the true Bible Acts 13:33 speaks of the day the Son of God was raised from the dead and became the firstborn from the dead (Col. 1:18) and the first begotten of the dead (Rev. 1:5).

The fake bibles teach that the was a time when God became the Father of the Son, and thus the Son is not from everlasting to everlasting.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts1333thisdaybegotte.htm



# 16. Are there different “races” among men? The King James Bible does NOT teach this, but many modern versions do, and that there are some that are a pure race and others are a mongrel race. Which is true?

http://brandplucked.webs.com/mvsandracism.htm

# 17. Daniel 9:26 What Did Christ Accomplish With His Death?

KJB - "Messiah cut off, but NOT FOR HIMSELF"

ESV (NIV, NASB, NET) - "an anointed one shall be cut off AND SHALL HAVE NOTHING."

http://brandplucked.webs.com/dan926messiahcutoff.htm

# 18. Psalm 8:5 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels", or "a little less than God"?

RSV, Holman Standard, NASB "You made him LITTLE LESS THAN GOD."

There is a huge difference between the King James Bible's translation of Psalm 8:5 and those of many modern versions. The KJB tells us that God made us a little lower than angels.

The KJB reading is also the one found in the Greek Septuagint and Lamsa's translation of the Syriac Peshitta.

Psalm 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than THE ANGELS, and hast crowned him with glory and honour."

The verse is even quoted in the New Testament in the book of Hebrews.
Hebrews 2:7 - "Thou madest him a little lower than THE ANGELS; thou crownedst him with glory and honour"

However, in Psalm 8:5 many modern versions tell us that we were made a little lower than God himself.


http://brandplucked.webs.com/ps85lowerthanangels.htm

# 19. "to KEEP His words" versus "to OBEY His words"

John 14:23 “If a man love me, he will KEEP MY WORDS” Versus “Anyone who loves me will OBEY MY TEACHING”


King James Bible - "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we KEEP his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and KEEPETH NOT his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, in him verily is the love of God perfected." 1 John 2:3-5

NIV 1984 edition - "We know that we have come to know him if we OBEY his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does NOT DO what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone OBEYS his word, God's love is truly made complete in him."

There is a big difference between “to KEEP God’s words” and “to OBEY God’s words”. See what it is here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/tokeepvstoobey.htm

# 20. How to Destroy Messianic Prophecies - Three examples

Number 1 - Haggai 2:7 The Desire of all nations shall come

Number Two - Isaiah 66:5 But He shall appear to your joy
Number Three - Daniel 9:26 "Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself"

http://brandplucked.webs.com/messianicprophecies.htm

Dan Wallace and his NET version and the ESV are wrong on all three. The NKJV is wrong on two of them.

# 21. THE GRACE OF GOD DESTROYED - Four Examples -
http://brandplucked.webs.com/graceofgoddestroyed.htm
# 1. Numbers 23:21 -
In Numbers 23:19-21 we read these beautiful truths: “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.”

The next verse, 21, expresses a great truth in the KJB, but this is where the error of the new versions occurs. Verse 21: “He hath NOT BEHELD INIQUITY in Jacob, NEITHER HATH HE SEEN PERVERSENESS in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them”.
The ESV, NIV, NASB, NET all get this wrong.
#2. Deuteronomy 32:5 Are they God’s Children or Not His children?
The NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB, NET all get this wrong.
#3. 2 Samuel 23:5 "Although my house BE NOT SO WITH GOD; YET he hath made with me an everlasting covenant"

The NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB all get this wrong.

#4. Isaiah 35:8 “THE WAYFARING MEN, THOUGH FOOLS, SHALL NOT ERR THEREIN.”

The NIV, NASB, NET all get this wrong. The ESV, NKJV got it right.

# 22. Jeremiah 8:8 "the pen of the scribes is in vain"

Jeremiah 8:8 "the pen of the scribes is in vain" - the Muslims & Bogus bibles

Were the Old Testament Scriptures corrupted or not?

KJB - "How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT; THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS IN VAIN."

NKJV (ESV, NIV, NASB) - “How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us'? LOOK, THE FALSE PEN OF THE SCRIBE CERTAINLY WORKS FALSEHOOD."


http://brandplucked.webs.com/jeremiah88penscribes.htm

# 23. Did men “WORSHIP” the Lord Jesus Christ or just “BOW BEFORE” Him?


Matthew 8:2 KJB - “And, behold, there came a leper and WORSHIPPED him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.”

ESV, NIV, (NASB) - “And behold, a leper came to him and KNELT BEFORE him, saying, Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/worshiporbowdown.htm

# 24. Acts 17:22 "Too Superstitious, Worship Demons or Very Religious"?


Acts 17:22 KJB - "Then Paul stood in the midst of MARS' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things YE ARE TOO SUPERSTITIOUS...whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you."

NKJV (ESV, NIV, NASB) - "Then Paul stood in the midst of THE AREOPAGUS and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are VERY RELIGIOUS."

The Living Oracles of 1835 has “you are ADDICTED TO THE WORSHIP OF DEMONS.”
Darby's translation says: "I see YOU ARE GIVEN UP TO DEMON WORSHIP"

http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts1722superstitious.htm

#25 - 2 Corinthians 2:17 "Corrupt" or "Peddle" the word of God?

King James Bible - ”For we are not as many, which CORRUPT the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."

NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV "For we are not, as so many, PEDDLING the word of God..."

The Geneva Bible 1587 was deficient here (as in other places) and read: "We are not as many which MAKE MERCHANDISE OF the word of God".

http://brandplucked.webs.com/2cor217corruptpeddle.htm

# 26 - Luke 2:14 KJB, NKJV - "on earth peace, GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN."

NASB, RSV, ESV, NET - "on earth peace AMONG THOSE WITH WHOM HE IS PLEASED."

NIV, Catholic St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 - "peace on earth TO THOSE ON WHOM HIS FAVOR RESTS."

Catholic Douay Version - "peace among MEN OF GOOD WILL."

http://brandplucked.webs.com/luke214goodwill.htm

#27. Revelation 13:8 - "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Revelation 13:8 KJB - "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the beast) whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."

ESV - (NASB, NET, Holman, Catholic St. Joseph, New Jerusalem bible) - "and all who dwell on the earth will worship it, everyone WHOSE NAME HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IN THE BOOK OF LIFE of the Lamb that was slain."

http://brandplucked.webs.com/rev138lambslain.htm


#28. Genesis 3:5 "ye shall be as gods" or "you will be like God"?

Genesis 3:5 KJB - "then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, Jehovah Witness NWT - "your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/gen3yeshallbeasgods.htm


# 29. Genesis 6:8 KJB - "But Noah found GRACE in the eyes of the LORD."

ESV (NASB, NIV, NET, Holman Standard, Catholic St. Joseph NAB, Jehovah Witness NWT) - "But Noah found FAVOR in the eyes of the LORD."

Was there any kind of personal merit found in Noah or was it totally of grace?

http://brandplucked.webs.com/gen68noahfoundgrace.htm

 

[genuineoriginal]

My grandpa used to tell a lot of good stories. Maybe if he had written them down, we could include those too.

The book of 2 Esdras was in the Septuagint, which is the version of scripture Jesus is recorded as quoting.

How do you suppose your grandpa's stories match up to the ones that Jesus read?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Were the KJV translators wrong about this that they stated:

Now to the later we answer; that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) contains the word of God, nay, is the word of God. As the King’s Speech which he uttered in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian and Latin, is still the King’s Speech, though it be not interpreted by every Translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense, everywhere. No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it.

If the answer is yes they were mistaken, then how is it possible to believe they could not have been mistaken in any other part that they translated?

 

[Danoh]

Hi DR. How about YOU give it an honest shot, sir? Answer the question. Think through what it is you really believe and try not to dodge the questions.


Do you believe that ANY Bible in any language, translated or untranslated, is now or ever was the complete (66 books on one volume), inerrant and 100% true words of God? Yes or No?

If Yes, can you show us a copy? Or can you tell us exactly which one it is, so that we too can go out and get one for ourselves? Yes or No?

If No, you do not believe there is now or ever has been such a thing as a complete and inerrant words of God Bible in any language, are you honest enough to admit it? Yes or No?

A thought BP- per the passages I cited in post # 181, it is obvious all the Books did exist as one collection in the first century.

 

[Right Divider]

The book of 2 Esdras was in the Septuagint, which is the version of scripture Jesus is recorded as quoting.

Did He quote FROM 2 Esdras? No, He did not.

How do you suppose your grandpa's stories match up to the ones that Jesus read?

Jesus quoted from the Bible.

 

[genuineoriginal]

GO, you are talking about something you haven't even read. May I suggest you actually READ the examples from your bible babble buffet versions first before you make some snap judgments about my need to change doctrines.

I am sure that you have some way to justify your belief trapped deep in your mind that you are unable to articulate that causes you to think that the doctrines developed from misunderstanding the archaic words in the KJV Bible are somehow correct.

Your list of comparative verses is doing nothing to help you articulate whatever justification you may have for rejecting the other translations.

For example, your complaint about Lucifer (morning star) being translated according to its meaning instead of being used as a name in the midst of a proverb against the king of Babylon shows that you are merely grasping at straws.

And your objection to translating the archaic word begotten into its exact meaning of become your father is even worse for whatever case you think you are making.

And where in the world did you ever come up with the idea that you could KEEP God's commandments without actually trying to OBEY God's commandments?

Please do yourself a favor, wipe the spittle off your chin, close your eyes, take a few deep breaths, and try again with a bit of reasoning instead of dogmatic ranting.

 

[brandplucked]

Show us a copy

Show us a copy

A thought BP- per the passages I cited in post # 181, it is obvious all the Books did exist as one collection in the first century.

Show us a copy. Let's see what it says. Do you believe this "bible" you supposedly have is the complete and inerrant words of God? Yes or No?

 

[genuineoriginal]

Did He quote FROM 2 Esdras? No, He did not.

What are the other books in the current Bible that Jesus did not quote from?
Are you willing to remove them from the Bible because Jesus didn't quote from them?

 

[Danoh]

Show us a copy. Let's see what it says. Do you believe this "bible" you supposedly have is the complete and inerrant words of God? Yes or No?

What do those passages I cited say to you?

 

[brandplucked]

None so blind as those who refuse to see.

None so blind as those who refuse to see.

I am sure that you have some way to justify your belief trapped deep in your mind that you are unable to articulate that causes you to think that the doctrines developed from misunderstanding the archaic words in the KJV Bible are somehow correct.

Your list of comparative verses is doing nothing to help you articulate whatever justification you may have for rejecting the other translations.

For example, your complaint about Lucifer (morning star) being translated according to its meaning instead of being used as a name in the midst of a proverb against the king of Babylon shows that you are merely grasping at straws.

And your objection to translating the archaic word begotten into its exact meaning of become your father is even worse for whatever case you think you are making.

And where in the world did you ever come up with the idea that you could KEEP God's commandments without actually trying to OBEY God's commandments?

Please do yourself a favor, wipe the spittle off your chin, close your eyes, take a few deep breaths, and try again with a bit of reasoning instead of dogmatic ranting.

Hi Genuine o, You obviously still did not bother to read the article. All you did was to scan the title and then you jumped to your already made up conclusions.

Can you show us a copy of this complete and inerrant Bible you supposedly believe in? Yes or No? Thanks.

 

[brandplucked]

No LXX - The Fictitious Use of the so-called Greek Septuagint

No LXX - The Fictitious Use of the so-called Greek Septuagint

In the New Testament, Jesus sometimes quoted from the Greek Septuagint, proving that He was not as hung up on Bible translations as the KJO people.

I am sure brother Bob Enyart is going to bring up this so called Greek Septuagint thing. This "Jesus and the apostle's quoted from the LXX" has got to be one of the biggest lies the bible agnostics have bought into.

It should be an interesting discussion.

http://www.brandplucked.webs.com/nolxx.htm

Be sure to check out Scatterbrained Septuagint Silliness - Judges 16:13; 1 Samuel 14:41; 1 Samuel 17:4; 2 Samuel 7:16; 2 Samuel 13:21, 34; 2 Samuel 14:30; 1 Kings 5:17-18; 6:1; 1 Kings 10:22; Jonah 3:4; Ezekiel 8, 40, 45 examples

http://brandplucked.webs.com/scatterbrainseptuagint.htm

 

[genuineoriginal]

Hi Genuine o, You obviously still did not bother to read the article. All you did was to scan the title and then you jumped to your already made up conclusions.

Can you provide me a brief explanation on why I should read your article?
What is it supposed to prove?

Edit: I followed your link and started to read your article.
It was nothing more than you had copy-pasted here.
Your article shows a bunch of false doctrines that come from mistakes in translations.
Most of the false doctrines in your article are actually the ones you believe in because of the mistakes in the KJV bible, so that defeats your arguments completely.

Maybe you can choose one of the doctrines that you can prove is true and we can discuss that one?

Can you show us a copy of this complete and inerrant Bible you supposedly believe in? Yes or No? Thanks.

Surely you remember that the Bible never states that there will ever be a "complete and inerrant" Bible, don't you?

However, the witness of the Bible does contain several places where it comments that the ability to change the words of the Bible is clearly in the hands of mankind, though God does command against doing that. Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18-19.

 

[Nick M]

The gospel of salvation through the substitutionary death of the Lord Jesus Christ who paid for our sins and rose from the dead is found in any bible version in any language, no matter how corrupt that bible version may be in other ways. God can and does bring people to faith in the risen Saviour through using them. Again, that is not the issue we are discussing.

Since the purpose of the Bible is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ, this pretty much invalidates your whole argument. Well played.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Reposting, Will Kinney can you please answer this

Were the KJV translators wrong about this that they stated:

Now to the later we answer; that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) contains the word of God, nay, is the word of God. As the King’s Speech which he uttered in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian and Latin, is still the King’s Speech, though it be not interpreted by every Translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense, everywhere. No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it.

If the answer is yes they were mistaken, then how is it possible to believe they could not have been mistaken in any other part that they translated?