Jerry Shugart
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So water baptism today is the "one" baptism to the exclusion of the baptism by the One Spirit where believers are baptized into the Body of Christ?
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So water baptism today is the "one" baptism to the exclusion of the baptism by the One Spirit where believers are baptized into the Body of Christ?
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More so for praying in tongues as Paul spoke of when wriing of his own experience and anointing in 1 Corinthians 12-14 KJV.
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Jerry Shugart
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At the time when the gift of speaking in tongues was first given it was given to spread the word of God to those who spoke different languages (Acts 2:6-11).
Jerry! That's an obvious false dilemma. In the Apostolic age it was clearly both! It's a sacrament, and all sacraments have this commonality, they are a union between the eternal and heaven and the temporal and earth.
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No. It was given to the Discples of Jesus Christ who spoke unknown languages to which I would ask what was the greater miracle? Was it in the speaking or the hearing of those languages? Perhaps both in the speaking and the hearing of those unknown languages?
Jerry Shugart
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They were not unknown languages (Acts 2:8).
Jerry Shugart
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The Bible says that today there is "one" baptism, not two. And the one baptism is the one spoken of at 1 Corinthians 12:13.
1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
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Well, thanks for the answer, but I was asking Lon, who initiated this thread.
Combining all into one is not wise
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Those are separate baptisms, and not a combination. Baptism by the Lord Jesus Christ, and baptism by the Holy Spirit are not the same.
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Why not a combination; Baptisms at the same time like on the day of Pentecost?
Jerry Shugart
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What is unknown about what those who were speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost?:
"And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" (Acts 2:5-7).
They were not speaking in a so-called "unknown" language.
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AGAIN, and I won't ask again:
"What would be the greater miracle, speaking OR hearing [understanding] an UNKNOWN tongue?? Stick to that question that you might understand God could have done it both/either way for accomplishing His purpose
Jerry Shugart
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So are you saying that baptism is the "one" baptism to the exclusion of the baptism at 1 Corinthians 12:13?
Jerry Shugart
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Again, they were not unknown languages. Those who were born in other nations heard and recognized their native born languages. Do you even know what the word "unknown" means?
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Jerry, Get saved.
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If one does not make that the starting point of all study of water baptism, one quickly gets nowhere. All attempts to separate it from the context of Moses and national Israel have resulted in nothing but confusion and error.
Short answer: water rites in the Bible go all the way back to Moses and cannot be separated from God's purposes for national Israel as His future priest-nation.
If one does not make that the starting point of all study of water baptism, one quickly gets nowhere. All attempts to separate it from the context of Moses and national Israel have resulted in nothing but confusion and error.
Jerry Shugart
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I am a dispensationalist and today there is but "one" baptism and that baptism is not water baptism but instead the baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13. In order to understand the purpose of water baptism when it was in order let us look at this passage:
"In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight" (Mt.3:1-3).
In this instance the Greek word translated "repent" means "to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins": Mt. iii.. 2 ; iv. 17 ; Mk. i. 14" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).
At Matthew 3:3 we read of John the Baptist "preparing the way of the Lord" in regard to the kingdom which was at hand. In what way was he preparing the way? It was necessary for the people to have a change of mind in regard to their sinful life style in order "make ready a people prepared for the Lord " so that they "might serve Him...in holiness and righteousness" (Lk.1:17,74-75).
Now the return of the Lord Jesus remains in the future as well as the setting up of the kingdom on earth. Before that happens the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air. So it will not be until sometime after the saints will be caught up when the gospel of the kingdom will be preached again and people will be prepared to serve the Lord Jesus in holiness and righteousness in the coming kingdom.