BAKERY OWNER STATES; "LET THEM NOT EAT CAKE!"

chrysostom

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marriage is a sacred institution designed to protect the child
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many of us would like to keep it that way
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we will never stop fighting for it
 
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Uberpod1 said:
Tambore,

I don't believe you know the definition of narrow mindedness. The baker in this situation failed to think more broadly. Does he really want to live in a culture that supports discrimination that could easily be turned on him? Is he so egotistical that he must try to stop others in the course of their private affairs.

If you are wronged, wouldn't you think the thing to do is to be assertive about it rather than a doormat? That's what this gay couple did.
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I would want to live in one like that, where another christian would open a bakery i would spend my $ in, instead.

I believe any business owner should be able to deny the business of anyone they choose, and if it causes them to go out of business, then thats ok and if it brings them more business, thats also ok.
 
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Uberpod1 said:
It's about boundaries. Unless someone is doing something illegal with a product you are selling, you really have no business throwing your biases in. It's along the same lines as freedom of religion (for the consumer). I, as an Irate atheist, might start forbiding Catholics from buying cheap wine from my liquor store because I know they will be claiming my wine is the blood of someone at some point. That's just spooky, kooky, and creepy. But here's the rub: it ain't my deal. It's their lives and they have the right to their own conscience. I expect others to stay out of my bidnes, so I stay out of theirs.

I get to still believe its weird. I just sold some wine and remembered where my nose ends and theirs begins. I did not violate my own integrity. I won't be taking communion. Same deal, different ceremony with a gay marital cake.

Now the hope would be that people are not so troglodytic that they could figure this out without the law having to back reason and common sense up.

btw, religious beliefs really need not carry more weight than someone's heartfelt humanistic beliefs. Magical thinking is no reason for privilege.
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Good Post.
 
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glorydaz said:
You paid your rent without condoning the lifestyle of your landlord. I would bake a wedding cake for a gay couple without condoning their lifestyle. We each must walk in the light we're given.
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How can you bake a wedding cake for a queer couple without condoning their lifestyle? If you bake a wedding cake you are then condoning the wedding and marriage; and if condoning the wedding and marriage then condoning the relationship, and thereby condoning the lifestyle.

How do you not get that?
 
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Lighthouse, How can you continue having a relationship
with your landlord knowing he was a full fledged homosexual??
You continued to pay rent and live at the same residence.

Not to mention, you obviously had conversations with him,
because he opened up to you that he "came on to straight
men!!" Please answer this inquiry to the best of your ability??

Were you condoning his lifestyle by interacting with him and
conversing with him??
 
genuineoriginal

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Lighthouse, How can you continue having a relationship
with your landlord knowing he was a full fledged homosexual??
You continued to pay rent and live at the same residence.

Not to mention, you obviously had conversations with him,
because he opened up to you that he "came on to straight
men!!" Please answer this inquiry to the best of your ability??

Were you condoning his lifestyle by interacting with him and
conversing with him??
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The baker was being asked to create a ceremonial object, which is different from creating a cake for eating after a meal as a dessert.

Ceremonial Objects


Ceremonial objects are any objects that you may consider to carry a quality of sanctity and those objects that are an integral part of or essential to the performance of a ritual.

Ritual is a ceremonial enactment of an intention. It is the way we ingrain our intentions needs and wishes onto anything and everything in our life. . .

It is my belief that all ceremonial objects are as powerful or as weak as the belief that is imbedded into them through our intention or repeated use. Due to the fact that there are objects, which may be regarded as sacred by some people and in some cultures yet viewed as mundane by others, I believe that it is not the object itself that is powerful. It is with your conscious intention and belief and in the way in which you use any object that you assign it power and importance. . .
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The wedding cake is a ceremonial object with a lot of importance tied to the baker's religious beliefs. Because of that, the baker had to face the choice of violating his religious beliefs by creating a ceremonial object for a blasphemous use or refusing to create the ceremonial object and maintaining his faithfulness to his religious beliefs.

This is very different that renting an apartment.
 
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Why did I put GM on ignore last year? There must be a reason...:think:

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Oh, yeah! Because he's as ignorant as the universe is old!

Thanks for quoting him to remind me genuineoriginal.:e4e:
 
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Lighthouse asked how someone could bake a cake
for someone and not be condoning their behavior?
I believe the answer is simple; the guy who sells you
a car, fixes your plumbing, mows your lawn, washes
your car, sets your broken leg, serves your food, paints
your house, overhauls your engine, washes your windows,
etc., etc., etc.... Are these types of people "condoning" the
behavior of others, by simply serving them??

Business is business, money is money, sinners are sinners,
service is, service!!
 
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genuineoriginal said:
The baker was being asked to create a ceremonial object, which is different from creating a cake for eating after a meal as a dessert.

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The wedding cake is a ceremonial object with a lot of importance tied to the baker's religious beliefs. Because of that, the baker had to face the choice of violating his religious beliefs by creating a ceremonial object for a blasphemous use or refusing to create the ceremonial object and maintaining his faithfulness to his religious beliefs.

This is very different that renting an apartment.
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No doubt the Baker had the right to stick to his convictions;
however, I believe his decision was based upon impulsive
"idealism" rather than, well thought out Spiritual logic and
reasoning!!
 
genuineoriginal

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
No doubt the Baker had the right to stick to his convictions;
however, I believe his decision was based upon impulsive
"idealism" rather than, well thought out Spiritual logic and
reasoning!!
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There was a conflict between his strongly held religious beliefs and the request to make a ceremonial object that would be used in a blasphemous manner.
It doesn't matter if the decision to refuse to make a blasphemous ceremonial object came from well thought out spiritual logic and reasoning or because he experienced a pricking of his conscience when he heard the request.
 
genuineoriginal

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Lighthouse asked how someone could bake a cake
for someone and not be condoning their behavior?
I believe the answer is simple; the guy who sells you
a car, fixes your plumbing, mows your lawn, washes
your car, sets your broken leg, serves your food, paints
your house, overhauls your engine, washes your windows,
etc., etc., etc.... Are these types of people "condoning" the
behavior of others, by simply serving them??

Business is business, money is money, sinners are sinners,
service is, service!!
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I notice you are intentionally staying away from anything that resembles a ceremonial object, since that would interfere with the straw man argument you are building.
 
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genuineoriginal said:
There was a conflict between his strongly held religious beliefs and the request to make a ceremonial object that would be used in a blasphemous manner.
It doesn't matter if the decision to refuse to make a blasphemous ceremonial object came from well thought out spiritual logic and reasoning or because he experienced a pricking of his conscience when he heard the request

The "sin" question was taken care of at the cross two
thousand years ago! However, only those who place
their faith in Christ and are "born-again. Spiritually" will
spend eternity with God! Revelation states that; the
small and the great will stand before the judgment seat
of God and be judged according to their "works" Those
whose names are not written in the Lambs book of
life will be cast into the lake of fire!

Our responsibility as children of God is not to judge the
unbeliever, but to be a witness and testimony (by our
fruits) towards an unbelieving world of lost sinners! Furthermore,
to tell others about the message of God's forgiveness,
mercy, and eternal life through the shed blood of Christ
and His resurrection!!

We're not supposed to run around calling sinners foul
names and being their "judge" that's God's place!!

The Baker could have baked/Frosted the cake and not
decorated the cake with things he found objectionable!!
He could have even told the couple that his religious beliefs.
Wouldn't allow him to go against his conscious!!

However, to stand there and state that they were an abomination,
and that he refused to serve them is a wee bit judgmental and
that's God's place to judge! Not the Bakers or ours!!
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genuineoriginal said:
I notice you are intentionally staying away from anything that resembles a ceremonial object, since that would interfere with the straw man argument you are building.
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We're living in the "age of Grace" We're not a part of the "House of Israel" directly! We have freedom in Christ. Those who are positioned "In Christ" have no sin, laws, or ceremonies to be enslaved to! We
stand forgiven of all sin, and are destined to eternal life!

We need not spend our time screaming and yelling derogatory names
at those who are "unsaved" and have not the Holy Spirit living within
them! God will judge the "unsaved" in due time; that's not our job as a believer in Christ!!
 
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If a shop owner objects to "whatever" he should use a little
finesse, and find a kind way of being respectful to his potential
customer! Telling them they're an abomination and simply refusing
service isn't the way to do it!!
 
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