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aCultureWarrior

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I have a question for you. You will give a direct, yes or no, answer to this question or we are done. Don't worry, its an easy question... If a person believes that there is no God, does it mean that he doesn't know that 2+2=4?
If admirer of child butcher/murderer William Hickman and abortion on demand advocate Ayn Rand were to mouth the right words (Romans 10:9) yet continued in her evil ways here on earth with no desire to repent, would she be allowed to spend eternity in Heaven? If so, wouldn't God be allowing anarchy in Heaven?

Clete now backtracks on saying that his heartthrob Ayn Rand didn't support NAP...
Did you read what I said? Did you listen to what she said?

"Anyone who initiates the use of force against another human being is acting like a dictator and if he establishes that as a political system then that is a dictatorship."

Here's a excerpt from Atlas Shrugged where the principle is laid out in detail. It is a principle completely in keeping with Christian doctrine concerning the use of physical force....

“Whatever may be open to disagreement, there is one act of evil that may not, the act that no man may commit against others and no man may sanction or forgive. So long as men desire to live together, no man may initiate—do you hear me? no man may startthe use of physical force against others.
I've studied libertarianism long enough to know NAP/Non Aggression Policy. Aside from parents not being able to punish their disorderly children, the key argument for NAP is that government stay out of personal behaviors such as homosexuality, abortion, prostitution, recreational drug use and pornography to name 5, i.e. "victimless crimes". You libertarians/objectivists of course don't acknowledge that there are always victims when people engage in immoral and destructive behaviors, including the person that engages in those behaviors. Of course NAP goes against Scripture, as in Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13-15 it shows that government is supposed to punish evil, using force when necessary.
 

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No, the word I am looking for is slander. Libel is just slander that is written rather than spoken.

slander
Middle English sclaundre, slaundre, from Anglo-French esclandre, alteration of escandle, from Late Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense — more at SCANDAL

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de·fame | \ di-ˈfām , dē- \
defamed; defaming

Definition of defame


transitive verb
1law : to harm the reputation of by communicating false statements about : to harm the reputation of by libel (see LIBEL entry 1 sense 2a) or slander (see SLANDER entry 2 sense 2)defamed her character
2archaic : ACCUSEdefamed of witchcraft
3archaic : DISGRACE

I am sure you do both. I guess the requirement for libel does require writ as well.
 
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If admirer of child butcher/murderer William Hickman and abortion on demand advocate Ayn Rand were to mouth the right words (Romans 10:9) yet continued in her evil ways here on earth with no desire to repent, would she be allowed to spend eternity in Heaven? If so, wouldn't God be allowing anarchy in Heaven?

Clete now backtracks on saying that his heartthrob Ayn Rand didn't support NAP...

I've studied libertarianism long enough to know NAP/Non Aggression Policy. Aside from parents not being able to punish their disorderly children, the key argument for NAP is that government stay out of personal behaviors such as homosexuality, abortion, prostitution, recreational drug use and pornography to name 5, i.e. "victimless crimes". You libertarians/objectivists of course don't acknowledge that there are always victims when people engage in immoral and destructive behaviors, including the person that engages in those behaviors. Of course NAP goes against Scripture, as in Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13-15 it shows that government is supposed to punish evil, using force when necessary.
Welcome to my ignore list.

Good bye!
 

aCultureWarrior

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No, the word I am looking for is slander. Libel is just slander that is written rather than spoken.

slander
Middle English sclaundre, slaundre, from Anglo-French esclandre, alteration of escandle, from Late Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense — more at SCANDAL

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de·fame | \ di-ˈfām , dē- \
defamed; defaming

Definition of defame


transitive verb
1law : to harm the reputation of by communicating false statements about : to harm the reputation of by libel (see LIBEL entry 1 sense 2a) or slander (see SLANDER entry 2 sense 2)defamed her character
2archaic : ACCUSEdefamed of witchcraft
3archaic : DISGRACE

I am sure you do both. I guess the requirement for libel does require writ as well.
Isn't cheap grace wonderful? I can lie about you all that I want and without sorrow commit every sin out there and as long as I say the right words (Romans 10:9) I'll be spending eternity in paradise.
 

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Isn't cheap grace wonderful? I can lie about you all that I want and without sorrow commit every sin out there and as long as I say the right words (Romans 10:9) I'll be spending eternity in paradise.
No, you can't. And if hell weren't in the kingdom of God, you would be booted to the lower floor where hell would be.
 

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aCultureWarrior said:
Isn't cheap grace wonderful? I can lie about you all that I want and without sorrow commit every sin out there and as long as I say the right words (Romans 10:9) I'll be spending eternity in paradise.

No, you can't. And if hell weren't in the kingdom of God, you would be booted to the lower floor where hell would be.
I can't go to Heaven even though I recite the right words yet continue to be an unrepentant liar and all around moral degenerate? Dang, maybe there is some truth to 1 Corinthians 6:9 after all.
 

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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit partake the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I even fixed it for you @aCultureWarrior
 

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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit partake the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I even fixed it for you @aCultureWarrior
I suppose I should feel guilty using you to help make my case about repentance, but I'm not. Thanks for the help!
 
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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit partake the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I even fixed it for you @aCultureWarrior
It won't move him an inch. He isn't debating. He isn't interested in the truth at all. He's interested in feeling superior to anyone who doesn't believe his doctrine. That's where all the intentional mischaracterizations, over simplifications and outright lies come from. He can't debate the reality of what people believe because he knows he'd lose, or at least fears that he would. It's much easier going around knocking down straw men and chasing windmills. He is a waste of your time.

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aCultureWarrior said:
Isn't cheap grace wonderful?
No such thing as "cheap grace". Grace cost Jesus everything, and it costs us nothing. It's a free gift.

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed"

"Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power."

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
 

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It won't move him an inch. He isn't debating. He isn't interested in the truth at all. He's interested in feeling superior to anyone who doesn't believe his doctrine. That's where all the intentional mischaracterizations, over simplifications and outright lies come from. He can't debate the reality of what people believe because he knows he'd lose, or at least fears that he would. It's much easier going around knocking down straw men and chasing windmills. He is a waste of your time.

Clete
So you put me on ignore after I showed the truth about the truly despicable Ayn Rand, but came back to talk about me. How libertarian objectivist of you.
 

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No such thing as "cheap grace". Grace cost Jesus everything, and it costs us nothing. It's a free gift.
Thoughts on the subject of repentance, which as I showed in one of my posts to your libertarian objectivist friend, is mentioned in the New Testament over 50 times? Maybe they just needed a meaningless word to use as a filler?
 

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Thoughts on the subject of repentance, which as I showed in one of my posts to your libertarian objectivist friend, is mentioned in the New Testament over 50 times? Maybe they just needed a meaningless word to use as a filler?
In order to be saved, what do you think a person repents from?
 

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Cheap grace is an offensive term...

Grace cost everything. if you call grace cheap you wall the blood of Christ cheap, you call the sacrifice of the Father and the Son cheap. You mock the Gospel and you live in the lie that you can do something to save yourself.

Grace is completely free to us, but cost God everything.

ACW please never use that offensive term again.
 

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aCultureWarrior said:
Thoughts on the subject of repentance, which as I showed in one of my posts to your libertarian objectivist friend, is mentioned in the New Testament over 50 times? Maybe they just needed a meaningless word to use as a filler?
In order to be saved, what do you think a person repents from?

I read your post numerous times and I'll be darned if I could find your answer to my question. Here it is again:

Why do you think the word repentance is used over 50 times in the New Testament if it is meaningless to Christianity?
 

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Cheap grace is an offensive term...

Grace cost everything. if you call grace cheap you wall the blood of Christ cheap, you call the sacrifice of the Father and the Son cheap. You mock the Gospel and you live in the lie that you can do something to save yourself.

Grace is completely free to us, but cost God everything.

ACW please never use that offensive term again.
I like the term carnal Christianity almost as much. BTW, should the term be erased from the English language because you're offended by it?
 

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aCultureWarrior said:
Thoughts on the subject of repentance, which as I showed in one of my posts to your libertarian objectivist friend, is mentioned in the New Testament over 50 times? Maybe they just needed a meaningless word to use as a filler?


I read your post numerous times and I'll be darned if I could find your answer to my question. Here it is again:

Why do you think the word repentance is used over 50 times in the New Testament if it is meaningless to Christianity?
Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved. So, what is it that YOU think a person repents from to be saved?

I like the term carnal Christianity almost as much. BTW, should the term be erased from the English language because you're offended by it?

According to the Bible, a "carnal Christian" would be someone who walks according to the flesh, and the only way to walk according to the flesh is to serve the Law. The term "cheap grace" is an offense to the gospel, but you are certainly free to do that, if you choose to. Free will is not an offense to the gospel.
 
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