ECT Are The Sons of God Angels or Men?

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iamaberean

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I have been told that the sons of God were angels, let's see what scripture says.

Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Satan was an angel, so maybe the sons of God are too.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Looks like every time the sons of God come, so does Satan.

Now, we'll take a look at the rest of the scriptures that have sons of God in them.
Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom_8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Now back to Genesis
Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Wait a minute, the sons of God took wives of the daughters of men. Does that mean that God did not have daughters? Of course he had daughters, but his sons started to take wives of the daughters of men.

Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

What does this mean? It means there had to be two creations of mankind. Gen 1 and Gen 2 confirms that fact.

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
 
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Truster said:
You are falling into the trap of interpreting the same terms in different and unrelated context.
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Hi Truster,

There has to be two creations. One where God created mankind and another where he made his son.

What I was pointing out is that 'sons of God' is never referred to as being angels. Since that is true, and the fact when it says 'the sons of God took wives of the daughters of man' it is different than taking 'daughters of God for wives' and that difference means two lines of mankind, children of God and children of man.

It is very important for Christians to accept what the word of God says.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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As from what I am able to discern, the one linguistic connection between "sons of God" and angels comes in Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7, where we observe what presumably are angels presenting themselves before God.

There we also find Satan come in before the Lord. But note here that a quite natural reading of the passage separates Satan from these "sons of God;" he is said to come also. So, is it natural (on the basis of Job 38:7) to say that angels both unfallen and fallen are properly designated "sons of God?" Job 38:7 points to a time before rebellion in heaven (Revelation 12:7).

What is proposed, on the basis of the theory of angelic and human interspecial sexual relations, or even demonic possession theory, is that a name of glory, sons of God, is put upon the evilest of personalities whose aim is to destroy the work of God and overthrow his intent to save. As charitably as I am able to state, this is a very curious expectation from reading the text or having it read to the hearing.

It is far more natural a reading—given the immediate background of two separate genealogies: the first of an ungodly sort; the second of the godly—that those who were constituted adopted sons, even Israel's new self-awareness (see Isaiah 43:6; cf. 2 Corinthians 5:18), that they should identify the "sons of God" with the godly heritage of Seth (also adopted), over against those whose identity was purely of the earth (1 Corinthians 15:47) and of mankind in general condemned to sink forever back into the dust from which he was raised.

In short, the notion of angelic-human interbreeding is quite speculative. It certainly seems to contradict a very clear teaching of our Lord on marriage and the nature of angels, Matthew 22:30, forcing an attenuated sense upon one Scripture or another for harmonious interpretation. Whereas, the warning connection between the times past and present (to the Exodus)—intermarriage with idolatrous neighbors—and the connection to the immediate context require no gymnastics, nor contextual appeal to the book of Job.

In Genesis 6:2-4, there is no causative relation established in the text between the "sons of God" and the giants, Numbers 13:33 (Nephilim). All the text establishes is that both a) the relations between "sons" and "daughters," and b) the existence of giants (Nephilim), are concurrent.

There is no reason to make an identification between the Nephilim and the offspring of the sons of God. The sons of God are pointed out in the previous chapter of Genesis as the line of believers who sprung from Adam's likeness as one made in the likeness of God, and who called on the name of the Lord. Luke 3:38 interprets this as meaning that Adam was the son of God.

For that matter, the Nephilim were already in existence before the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men. "After that" (Genesis 6:4) refers to a time following the period when the Nephilim are in the earth. The word "became" (became mighty men) is in italics as an attempt to fill out the contextual tense in which the pronoun is used. The Hebrew can naturally be read as simply explaining what had been brought forth as a result of the union with the daughters of men— "they were mighty men which were of old, men of renown." There is no reason to take this as referring to the Nephilim.

The Nephilim, together with the fact that the sons of God went in to the daughters of men, together with the fact that the offspring of the sons of God became men of renown like Cain and Lamech, are all part of the picture of wickedness at the time. There is no reason to make an identification between the Nephilim and the offspring of the sons of God.

The sons of God are pointed out in the previous chapter of Genesis as the line of believers who sprung from Adam's likeness as one made in the likeness of God, and who called on the name of the Lord. Luke 3:38 interprets this as meaning that Adam was the son of God.

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iamaberean said:
Hi Truster,

There has to be two creations. One where God created mankind and another where he made his son.

What I was pointing out is that 'sons of God' is never referred to as being angels. Since that is true, and the fact when it says 'the sons of God took wives of the daughters of man' it is different than taking 'daughters of God for wives' and that difference means two lines of mankind, children of God and children of man.

It is very important for Christians to accept what the word of God says.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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I don't understand why in one post you quote numerous scripture that gives us a clear picture that Angels are the "Sons of GOD" (i.e. Job 1:6, We Know Satan was an special Angel), Yet in the very next post you said:"What I was pointing out is that 'sons of God' is never referred to as being angels."

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Bladerunner said:
I don't understand why in one post you quote numerous scripture that gives us a clear picture that Angels are the "Sons of GOD" (i.e. Job 1:6, We Know Satan was an special Angel), Yet in the very next post you said:"What I was pointing out is that 'sons of God' is never referred to as being angels."

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I assume you are speaking of these scriptures:
Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Satan was an angel, so maybe the sons of God are too.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Looks like every time the sons of God come, so does Satan.

These scriptures are the ones that most people come to the conclusion that the 'sons of God' are angels. It doesn't say that, it just points out that Satan dropped by to see what was going on. He was an uninvited guest.
 
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iamaberean said:
I assume you are speaking of these scriptures:
Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Satan was an angel, so maybe the sons of God are too.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Looks like every time the sons of God come, so does Satan.

These scriptures are the ones that most people come to the conclusion that the 'sons of God' are angels. It doesn't say that, it just points out that Satan dropped by to see what was going on. He was an uninvited guest.
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OH???????

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Ask Mr. Religion said:
As from what I am able to discern, the one linguistic connection between "sons of God" and angels comes in Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7, where we observe what presumably are angels presenting themselves before God.

There we also find Satan come in before the Lord. But note here that a quite natural reading of the passage separates Satan from these "sons of God;" he is said to come also. So, is it natural (on the basis of Job 38:7) to say that angels both unfallen and fallen are properly designated "sons of God?" Job 38:7 points to a time before rebellion in heaven (Revelation 12:7).
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According to scripture 'son's of God' refers to Adam and his descendants.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
LORD God, according to this scripture, did not invite Satan to come.

Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

No where in the bible does it say Satan and his followers, are the son's of God.

 
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iamaberean said:
No where in the bible does it say Satan and his followers, are the son's of God.
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Agreed.

Deuteronomy 32:5 "They have acted corruptly toward Him, They are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation. or: their defect is that they are not HIS children...

Somehow HIS creation was separated into children and not children but it wasn't just sin as HIS children are all sinners as much as the non-children.
 
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ttruscott said:
Agreed.

Deuteronomy 32:5 "They have acted corruptly toward Him, They are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation. or: their defect is that they are not HIS children...

Somehow HIS creation was separated into children and not children but it wasn't just sin as HIS children are all sinners as much as the non-children.
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Sinners at times, but still his children. God has punished them many times when they went a whoring after other gods, but has always welcomed them back.
Deu 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
 
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iamaberean said:
Sinners at times, but still his children. God has punished them many times when they went a whoring after other gods, but has always welcomed them back.
Deu 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
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Yet the homily about GOD's discipline of HIS LEGITIMATE children implies there are illegitimate children who are not HIS children at all, Heb 12:5-11 (v8).
 
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In Gen 6:1-7, who is GOD holding accountable, Angels or men?

Does it say that GOD regrets creating Angels or is it man?
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Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

If Adam was son of God, then all his children were also.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

This really proves three points, Angels are not the sons of God, the children of God took wives from the daughters of man, and there were two creations, mankind and the man named Adam, as I have said before.
 
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ttruscott said:
Yet the homily about GOD's discipline of HIS LEGITIMATE children implies there are illegitimate children who are not HIS children at all, Heb 12:5-11 (v8).
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Cain was a child of Satan. His children have tried to destroy the children of God from the beginning.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;

Luk 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Luk 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Scribes and Pharisees are accused by Jesus for the blood of Abel, by Cain, unto to the blood of Zacharias, who was the father of John the Baptist.

Just who were the Scribes and Pharisees? From the scripture above it shows them to be children of Cain, who was the child of Satan.
 
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iamaberean said:
Cain was a child of Satan. His children have tried to destroy the children of God from the beginning.
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A very good good summation...

Do you think the reference to the Sons of GOD in Job 38:7 refers to the Church or some other contingent of HIS children? It does say all, [kol: the whole, all] no?
 
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