ARCHIVE: Burden of Proof

[Nathon Detroit]

Um, what? Natural laws follow equations right? E=mc^2 Well, these equations approach infinity the closer they get to a singularity. It is fact that the laws break down, speculation is what happens during this point. However, if you can prove otherwise a Nobel is waiting for you...

It is fact that the laws of thermodynamics break down???

Fact?????

Wow! Do tell.

 

[Caledvwlch]

If by "mock" you mean critically analyze, then yes, you need not present an alternative to question a theory. As a wise man once said to me"I don't got the answers, just the questions"

That sounds like one of Frank Herbert's Mentats.

I don't believe Cal meant to mock Yaweh with his dishwasher theory, he was useing that to demonstrate that positing an unfalsefiable theory dosen't put you in the drivers seat insofar as having a compelling argument that others must then disprove.

I could have just as easily given the Incontrovertible Plotnoid Gyro-Scope theory.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

I never said you were wrong, I said you don't know.

And you're right, I don't have sufficient data to assume that nobody knows. I do have sufficient data to assume that no human being confined to this physical, temporal reality knows.

Then in essense you are saying YOU DO (in fact) KNOW that I am wrong, yet at the same time you "don't know".

Sorry... that's flat out irrational. :kookoo:

 

[fool]

Which one do you adhere to?

I'm not an adhesive, I don't adhere to one particular theory, I only dimmly understand the ones I'm familiar with.

Earlier you stated... "I don't know".

That's right.

When you state "I don't know" can you rationally rule out any possible explanation?

Not totally, but odds can be weighed, parameters guessed at, and at the end of the day I might say something like "I'm fairly sure the universe wasen't created by a dishwasher because..........."

 

[Nathon Detroit]

That sounds like one of Frank Herbert's Mentats.

I could have just as easily given the Incontrovertible Plotnoid Gyro-Scope theory.

"Oooo... look at me.... look how smart I am!" :chuckle:

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Not totally, but odds can be weighed, parameters guessed at, and at the end of the day I might say something like "I'm fairly sure the universe wasen't created by a dishwasher because..........."

OK then... what are the "odds" that matter and energy created themselves from nothing?

You don't need to be exact you can give me "best guess" estimate.

 

[Spenser 2]

It is fact that the laws of thermodynamics break down???

Fact?????

Wow! Do tell.

From Hawking himself:

At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down.

Will you now retract, or is that possible?

 

[Caledvwlch]

Then in essense you are saying YOU DO (in fact) KNOW that I am wrong, yet at the same time you "don't know".

Sorry... that's flat out irrational. :kookoo:

I didn't say that you are wrong. Stop putting words in my typing fingers. I said you don't know. That doesn't mean you're wrong. You might be right. :shocked: And the Great Cosmic Dishwasher theory might just as easily (or preposterously) be right. Just because one assumes, doesn't make one right, but it doesn't make one wrong, either. If I had evidence disproving your assertion, then I might say you are wrong. All I am saying is that you can not know.

 

[Caledvwlch]

"Oooo... look at me.... look how smart I am!" :chuckle:

Oh, please. Could you try to stay away from irrelevant jabs? Did you even read fool's post?

 

[fool]

I'm not an adhesive, I don't adhere to one particular theory, I only dimmly understand the ones I'm familiar with.

That's right.

Not totally, but odds can be weighed, parameters guessed at, and at the end of the day I might say something like "I'm fairly sure the universe wasen't created by a dishwasher because..........."

While still allowing that the universe may have been created by a dishwasher.
(my apologies to any one who thinks the universe was created by a dishwasher)

 

[Spenser 2]

PWNED

PWNED

To further bury you:

Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.

Psst, not bad from a guy who doesn't know anything about science eh?

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Will you now retract, or is that possible?

Hawkings is SPECULATING you knob! Do you deny that???

Seriously? How dumb are you? :dunce:

I mean really... I have seen some idiots come through TOL but you rank right up there.

 

[Spenser 2]

Hawkings is SPECULATING you knob! Do you deny that???

Seriously? How dumb are you? :dunce:

I mean really... I have seen some idiots come through TOL but you rank right up there.

Pride is a hard thing to swallow, isn't it?

 

[fool]

While still allowing that the universe may have been created by a dishwasher.
(my apologies to any one who thinks the universe was created by a dishwasher)

Unless the dishwasher tells you to kill babies, then we got a problem.
(a dishwasher would tell you to wash the dishes, not break them!)

 

[Spenser 2]

Hawkings is SPECULATING you knob! Do you deny that???

Seriously? How dumb are you? :dunce:

I mean really... I have seen some idiots come through TOL but you rank right up there.

It is one thing to call some one an idiot, an entirely different thing to go about proving it...

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Pride is a hard thing to swallow, isn't it?

So is BS.

 

[Spenser 2]

So is BS.

Are you suggesting that Stephen Hawking is full of BS? :grave:

 

[Caledvwlch]

It's been fun, Knight. But now that we've devolved to the whole "BS" "idiot" game I think I'll have my leave. Ciao!

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Are you suggesting that Stephen Hawking is full of BS? :grave:

Clearly I am stating that you are.

 

[fool]

OK then... what are the "odds" that matter and energy created themselves from nothing?

You don't need to be exact you can give me "best guess" estimate.

OK, how bout the same as an allpowerful being existing for eternity past?
How's that?