Wait all you want, your study approach is off somewhere; which is why my question went right over your head.
Another, simpler question:
When were those Galatians you are referring to under the Law?
Your approach is clearly off.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
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Wait all you want, your study approach is off somewhere; which is why my question went right over your head.
Another, simpler question:
When were those Galatians you are referring to under the Law?
Your approach is clearly off.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
SaulToPaul 2
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SaulToPaul 2
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Is there anything you're off in?
His approach to people.
It's way off.
Interplanner
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So Christ only came to "them" and was born under the law and to a women for "them". Got it. No salvation for any one else, just "them."
What are the 'weak and miserable principles of the world'?
Straight out the Acts 28er Handbook of how to study a thing out incorrectly. :chuckle:
Fact is, prior to Paul, those Galatians were heathen.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
One, that is a different worldwide mission.
Two, your other there, is referring to those elements of worship under the Law that had been concluded as weak and beggarly as the heathen system of worship those Galatians had been under prior to Paul's preaching "among the heathen."
Which they had turned from, to Christ.
But had then to the same but within the Law.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
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The mystery of the gospel is that it was opened up to all.
When were YOU ever under the law?
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:chuckle:
The fact is that just before God saved Paul, he first concluded "the whole world" both Jew and Gentile "under sin;" Acts 7; Acts 17; Romans 1-3; Romans 11; etc. - the very point Paul relates having both communicated unto James, Cephas, and John, and...having had to remind them of all again, in Galatians 2.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
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Of course they were all under sin. When were you ever under the Law?
Anyone not made the righteousness of God in His through the faith of Christ upon believing on His finished work, is under the works of the law for righteousness, be they a religious Jew; a proselyte, or just out there in that world living their life as if there is no God to have to answer to one day.
Quit reading your obviously narrow myopia into the passages.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
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That is clearly not the mystery in Eph 3. The grammar does not support that and the OT is full of God doing things with the Gentiles in the background.
The OT is actually about the coming mission of Messiah. It is not about setting up a Zionist paradise then or future.
There was no mystery at all that the Gentiles were to be reached. The Pharisees had missionaries because they knew this, and Jesus blasted them on their message, and type of impact.
The outreach to the nations was "known for ages" says James in Acts 15, quoting Amos 9.
The grammar of Eph 3:5-6 is saying that the mystery was that the sharing of Israel's inheritance and citizenship--the one that is by faith--is through the Gospel. But you won't read Greek grammar commentaries, nor study Greek, so you will never know. The weight of those two lines falls on 'dia tou euangelliou' because this is to contrast with the Law, as Paul so often does. It is true through the Gospel, not in the Law.
The Gospel of Christ was preached in advance (Abraham saw my day and rejoiced) says Gal 3 referring to the lines about 'in your Seed all the nations of earth will be blessed.' Israel/Judaism replaced this message with the law, Gal 3:17. That is the replacement theology that matters.
The message or goal or destiny for Israel never was a Zionist kingdom. It always was a kingdom that was not the kind found on this earth.
What part of "whole world" slipped past that hair in your eyes this time? :chuckle:
"Say Floyd?"
"Floyd?"
"Ya know Floyd...ah reckon this fella, S-Tee-P is it? Ah reckon he's due for a haircut AND a full maneh-cure; all right if'n ah call up over tuh Mount Pah-lit, sees if ah kin find out what-eh-vir happened to that really cute Barbara Eden maneh-curist?
I mean this S-Tee-P fella's in real desperate straights, here...ol Barn wants tuh give'm a sy-tay-shun - yo Barn - put - that - thing - away - for ya hurt some one!"
:chuckle:
Much love towards ya, brother, but we are clearly not on the same page on some things.
Rom. 14: 5; 5: 6-8.
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This is untrue. The law was taken out of the way before you were born.
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Gen 12:1-3 (KJV) excluded and cursed some Gentiles. These are the ones it was opened up to.
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Tell us when you were ever under the Law of Moses.
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AS in "opened back up"? Interesting thought, but then the proposition is even more easily demonstrated. all the ones (the majority) who were not close-out were to one day be the recipients of the blessing. Gen 3 says the gift of the Gospel was known that far back.
I'm referring to the broad statements of Eph 3:5-6 or Acts 15. It was known for a long time that the blessing was for the nations. The mysterious thing (to Judaism) was that it was through the Gospel of Christ. That's where citizenship, inheritance come through. For the NHNE.
The Law has concluded the whole world under sin.
The wrath to come is the result of that.
The Law still proves all under sin - 1 Tim. 1.
Acts 17: 11, 12.
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Tell us when you were ever under the Law of Moses.