Against abortion and against person-hood?

[Delmar]

If you are against abortion and against person-hood please explain your position to me? If you believe an unborn baby has the "right to life" how could there ever be an exception to this right?

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[Ktoyou]

It sanctions murder by reason of inconvenience.

Ted Cruz would have been the best candidate to curb this, in my opinion. There is no exception, how can there be? If a woman is raped, which is horrible, yet the baby is not to blame, so, have it and put the baby up for adoption; plenty of good persons what a baby. I cannot see why it is too much to bear this? It would be worse for me to know I took an innocent life.

I do not understand why evangelical Christians would prefer Trump?

 

[Nick M]

Because they are not against abortion. This is like Obama who has in fact stated he favors the second amendment, when he doesn't. Just like TOL.

Matthew 12

34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things?

 

[Ktoyou]

I do not see how anyone with heart and soul can be against person-hood? Those who are, it seems are those who condone abortion, and they are the same as those who place animals on the same level as humans.

Hate people, hate God; hate God, hate people, same thing to me.

 

[exminister]

Delmar,
What's your thoughts on the rare case of the life of the mother?

 

[Nick M]

Delmar,
What's your thoughts on the rare case of the life of the mother?

What are yours? If a gunmen walks in to WalMart, she should grab her child and use it as shield because her life is more important?

 

[WizardofOz]

I find the personhood debate deflective. No one can objectively say what constitutes personhood as it is a subjective, philosophical idea. It's deflects from the objective, biological fact that a new human begins at conception.

 

[Town Heretic]

If you are against abortion and against person-hood please explain your position to me? If you believe an unborn baby has the "right to life" how could there ever be an exception to this right?

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I suspect the answer you'd get from some would deal with the extraordinary exception of the unborn endangering the mother's life. Contrary to Nick's example, the parallel you'd likely receive would be along the lines of self-defense, where a child is in the process of cocking a gun that he or she has to your temple, without realizing the nature of her or his actions and whether you are obligated to allow your own death or should be allowed the right to defend yourself.

The instance where the unborn poses a direct threat to the actual life of the mother is a rare thing, but personhood would make that exception problematic. Anyway, that's my guess. My own position and argument demands personhood, as right is neither created nor endowed by the state, but is instead recognized and protected. At present that protection is grotesquely imperfect.

 

[ok doser]

i believe you should be able to delete your own posts

why, yes

yes you can

 

[patrick jane]

If you are against abortion and against person-hood please explain your position to me? If you believe an unborn baby has the "right to life" how could there ever be an exception to this right?

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What does "against person-hood" mean ?

 

[ok doser]

What does "against person-hood" mean ?

it's a movement to assign legal protection to the unborn child

 

[Nick M]

What are yours? If a gunmen walks in to WalMart, she should grab her child and use it as shield because her life is more important?

So no answer.

 

[CabinetMaker]

What are yours? If a gunmen walks in to WalMart, she should grab her child and use it as shield because her life is more important?

What a remarkably poorly worded question that provides no insight to the topic.

 

[CabinetMaker]

I am opposed to abortion but I do not think that personhood begins until the embryo implants in the uterus and begins to grow. Even then I think personhood laws need to be worded very, very carefully to deal with things such as spontaneous abortion, commonly called a miscarriage, and issues where the life of the mother is truly threatened by the fetus. The laws would also need to address those tragic times when the fetus is not viable for some reason.

 

[Delmar]

Delmar,
What's your thoughts on the rare case of the life of the mother?

My view is that the argument is a red herring. The goal should always be to save both. The inability to save both is completely different than purposely killing the baby.

 

[Delmar]

I am opposed to abortion but I do not think that personhood begins until the embryo implants in the uterus and begins to grow. Even then I think personhood laws need to be worded very, very carefully to deal with things such as spontaneous abortion, commonly called a miscarriage, and issues where the life of the mother is truly threatened by the fetus. The laws would also need to address those tragic times when the fetus is not viable for some reason.

Recognizing that the baby has the right not to be murdered could never do anything to criminalize miscarriage. This is a ridiculous claim.

 

[CabinetMaker]

Recognizing that the baby has the right not to be murdered could never do anything to criminalize miscarriage. This is a ridiculous claim.

Given that the legal system in this country is far more interested in what is legal rather than what is just, it is a VERY real concern.

There was a case here in Colorado recently where a bunch of high schoolers got caught trading nudes. As they were all under 18, it was initially addressed as a child porn cased. The DA was considering charging a bunch of kids as adults for acting like kids. Was it legal? Yes. Was it just? No. Justice is not served by labeling a 16 year old a sex offender for life because he/she did something stupid at an age where we expect them to do stupid things.

So, when we start passing laws guarantying person-hood. we had better be pretty darn clear because some over zealous prosecutor WILL use that law to prosecute somebody in ways that you may not have intended because that prosecutor defines murder more broadly than you.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

If you are against abortion and against person-hood please explain your position to me? If you believe an unborn baby has the "right to life" how could there ever be an exception to this right?

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I've addressed this issue in another thread that was bashing Ted Cruz because he is against Personhood Amendments.

First, within the Due Process Clause of the Constitution, Personhood Amendments are not necessary.

2nd: I posted this article in the same thread (to which no one responded)

Is the Personhood movement really pro life?

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/06/22/is_the_personhood_movement_really_prolife

I see that many in your thread belong to a culture of death (they vote for pro abortion candidates and advocate immoral laws that promote the culture of death), so I'll be ignoring WizardofOz and his fellow Libertarians if he should respond to my post.

 

[Nick M]

My view is that the argument is a red herring. The goal should always be to save both. The inability to save both is completely different than purposely killing the baby.

You can already see the opposition I hope.

 

[Ktoyou]

Given that the legal system in this country is far more interested in what is legal rather than what is just, it is a VERY real concern.

There was a case here in Colorado recently where a bunch of high schoolers got caught trading nudes. As they were all under 18, it was initially addressed as a child porn cased. The DA was considering charging a bunch of kids as adults for acting like kids. Was it legal? Yes. Was it just? No.

It depends on the age of the kids in the nude pictures. If they are small children, then yes, but if they are of the same age, then no.