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Now that's interesting..... you're saying that Paul taught something different?
ECT According to Paul he was not the only one that preached the MYSTERY.
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So you're saying that God changes His instructions from time to time?
I'm afraid you are dealing with one of those individuals who; when the obvious in their own words is pointed out to them; immediately concludes one is trying to trick them...
The end result when dealing with such, ever being the same old sense of...
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God's Truth
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Wow you are so wrong.
1 Peter 1:10-12 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
2 Peter 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
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Jesus FULFILLED the scriptures.
All the purification/ceremonial works...they were just teaching tools about what was coming. Jesus was coming.
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So you're saying that God changes His instructions from time to time?
Just a simple YES or NO would suffice.
Nope.
As you have unwittingly proven via the above passages; Peter's was obviously a Prophesied Grace.
Paul's was not. It was an Unprophesied, or Mystery Grace.
Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
God's Truth
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Paul's was prophesied too.
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More unsubstantiated opinion.
God's Truth
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No, I do not have to answer any one who's questions are from a lack of knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
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LOL...How can you think that nothing was known until Paul? How can you put Paul into such a position of error?
The plan for salvation was MADE BEFORE THE CREATION OF ANYTHING.
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You continue to show that you refuse to accept plain and simple truth.
You won't answer because you know that your WHOLE fairy tale system of "doing everything that God commands" will be exposed as false.
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Please describe in detail "the plan for salvation".
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Jesus is the difference. NO LIMITATIONS ON THE TIME? Are you kidding? The time was when Jesus came.
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The plan for salvation was made before the creation of anything...the plan was that we would be saved through the body of Christ...saved through the body of Christ just as the creation was made through Jesus. Adam and Eve were in the body of Christ when they were created...and then thrown out...and NOW THROUGH Jesus' body dying on the cross...we can be reconciled to God again.
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You wanted me to answer yes or no according to your folly...according to your understanding.
God did not just change things up...the purification/ceremonial works were JUST TEACHING TOOLS ABOUT JESUS...they were just a shadow of Jesus.
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The law that said to do various external washings---that was a teaching tool, a shadow of what was coming. It is about Jesus. Since Jesus, he washes us once and for all.
The law that said to observe special days---that was a teaching tool, a shadow of Jesus. All those special days are about Jesus. We observe Jesus all day every day. Observing special days is now worthless.
The law that said to sacrifice animals, to use their blood---that was a teaching tool about Jesus. Jesus is the Lamb of God and Jesus' blood takes away sins once and for all.
Jesus came; he circumcises our hearts with the Holy Spirit. Circumcision in the flesh is now just mutilation of the flesh.
Jesus fulfilled the law. The whole law was about him. Since we have salvation through Jesus, it is a greater salvation. Is it greater to observe the Son of God instead of special days? Is it better to be cleaned by the blood of God than by animals? Is it better to be circumcised in the heart by the Holy Spirit, than with a physical circumcision done by the hands of men
By believing and obeying Jesus, true Christians obey Moses, for we have a tent, a temple, our bodies are that temple, and we have the blood to atone for our sins, because Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb.
The earthly temple had rules and regulations, but they were just an earthy replica of WHAT IS IN HEAVEN.
We do not go to a mere man as our high priest...Jesus is our High Priest.
The old law was not based on faith; the new law is based on faith. One must have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us of the sins we repent of doing.
No one has to be put to death for adultery, and other such sins. No one has to give an eye for an eye, or a tooth for a tooth, etc. We find mercy and forgiveness through Jesus. We have mercy and forgiveness through Jesus, and we are also to give mercy and forgiveness to others.
The law that said to observe special days---that was a teaching tool, a shadow of Jesus. All those special days are about Jesus. We observe Jesus all day every day. Observing special days is now worthless.
The law that said to sacrifice animals, to use their blood---that was a teaching tool about Jesus. Jesus is the Lamb of God and Jesus' blood takes away sins once and for all.
Jesus came; he circumcises our hearts with the Holy Spirit. Circumcision in the flesh is now just mutilation of the flesh.
Jesus fulfilled the law. The whole law was about him. Since we have salvation through Jesus, it is a greater salvation. Is it greater to observe the Son of God instead of special days? Is it better to be cleaned by the blood of God than by animals? Is it better to be circumcised in the heart by the Holy Spirit, than with a physical circumcision done by the hands of men
By believing and obeying Jesus, true Christians obey Moses, for we have a tent, a temple, our bodies are that temple, and we have the blood to atone for our sins, because Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb.
The earthly temple had rules and regulations, but they were just an earthy replica of WHAT IS IN HEAVEN.
We do not go to a mere man as our high priest...Jesus is our High Priest.
The old law was not based on faith; the new law is based on faith. One must have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us of the sins we repent of doing.
No one has to be put to death for adultery, and other such sins. No one has to give an eye for an eye, or a tooth for a tooth, etc. We find mercy and forgiveness through Jesus. We have mercy and forgiveness through Jesus, and we are also to give mercy and forgiveness to others.
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OK, please try to follow along.... this is what you WROTE.
YOU did NOT put any time frame on this statement. YOU did that. Not me.
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Then why does Peter say this?
1Pet 1:5 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
What is that salvation and why is it "ready to be revealed in the last time"?
1Mind1Spirit
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Those folks were exaggerating because they wrested with scripture.
Paul taught charity.
Romans 14:21
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.