About our glorious Triune God

ZacharyB

Active member
Before the Incarnation, the Holy Trinity was:
God the Father, God the Word, God the Holy Spirit.

# - God the Holy Spirit formed Jesus’ fetus in Mary’s womb.

Jesus was called “the Son of God” because the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ “father”
(“He played the role of” Jesus’ father).

# - God the Word became flesh (Jesus).

So, can we say the Word was Jesus, and Jesus was the Word?

Jesus Christ was “fully man” via God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ was “fully God” via God the Word.

Several NT verses say Jesus Christ came down from heaven.
On the surface, this sounds ridiculous,
but it is referring to the God part of Jesus (God the Word).
 

Ps82

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Before the Incarnation, the Holy Trinity was:
God the Father, God the Word, God the Holy Spirit.
I'd express things this way:
1.) God/Elohim was - God The Spirit.

2.) God/Elohim the Spirit created an image for his personal use and appeared with IT within creation in the Garden and was called The LORD God. He also became known as The Father LORD God.

3.) According to Isaiah 43:11 The ONE God and Father LORD was to come appearing in flesh as Emmanuel (God among men as the Savior.)
I (being God The invisible Spirit who spoke new things into existence), even I, am The LORD (God as the visible Emmanuel who manifested created things into the realm of visibility); beside ME (coming as the invisible Spirit and the visible LORD) there is no Savior.

IOW: Our savior came as God the Spirit and as the presence of The LORD ... appearing as The promised Son of God who would be a son of man in flesh.

Yes, The WORD was God and was with God when God was Spirit of Gen. 1 and was the Father LORD of Gen. 2.

Yes, The WORD was also with Jesus who was also God, when he came as our Savior.
 

Ps82

Well-known member
... # - God the Holy Spirit formed Jesus’ fetus in Mary’s womb.
Yes
Jesus was called “the Son of God” because the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ “father”
Yes, He represented the role of Jesus's father due to the fact that the Father God appeared among men before the Son appeared among men. They both were God working:
KJV John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father worketh hitherto, and (now) I work."
KJV John 1:18 No man hath seen God, at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he (John the Baptist) hath declared him (who was God and LORD among men in flesh as the Savior). Isaiah 43:11


(“He played the role of” Jesus’ father).

# - God the Word became flesh (Jesus).

So, can we say the Word was Jesus, and Jesus was the Word?
I see it that way. The living WORD who was with the living God and was the living God. Who was God? The living creator who was LIFE itself and the giver of LIFE.

Jesus Christ was “fully man” via God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ was “fully God” via God the Word.
Yes

Several NT verses say Jesus Christ came down from heaven.
On the surface, this sounds ridiculous,
but it is referring to the God part of Jesus (God the Word).
Yes

Another example of this sort of manifestation of the unseen into the visible realm is this: Genesis 1 most things were created invisibly within the Spirit of God. Male and female were fist created in this state. A few things seem to have begun to be manifested visually... Sun moon and stars and our planet. but most were not manifested until Gen. 2. The Father LORD God brought forth male and female as visible mankind in Gen. 2. The LORD brought forth plants and animals and presented them to Adam to name ... and so forth. Adam and Woman saw the presence of God named LORD and talked with Him.
 

Clete

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Before the Incarnation, the Holy Trinity was:
God the Father, God the Word, God the Holy Spirit.

# - God the Holy Spirit formed Jesus’ fetus in Mary’s womb.

Jesus was called “the Son of God” because the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ “father”
(“He played the role of” Jesus’ father).

# - God the Word became flesh (Jesus).

So, can we say the Word was Jesus, and Jesus was the Word?

Jesus Christ was “fully man” via God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ was “fully God” via God the Word.

Several NT verses say Jesus Christ came down from heaven.
On the surface, this sounds ridiculous,
but it is referring to the God part of Jesus (God the Word).
So, I'd say there are a few issues with what you've said here. Some of this may have to do with semantics. Meaning that your intent may have been somewhat different than what the words you used managed to communicate. With that in mind...


First, the Spirit did not act as “Jesus’ father.” Scripture never attributes paternity for the Incarnation to the Holy Spirit as a distinct personal father. The Spirit’s role was instrumental, not paternal: He “overshadowed” Mary (Luke 1:35). The conception was by divine power, but Jesus is called Son of God because the eternal Word Himself took on flesh, not because the Spirit became His father. The Father remained the Father.

Secondly, the statement, “Jesus was fully man via the Holy Spirit, fully God via the Word,” divides the natures according to agents, as if each Person contributed a separate ingredient. That’s not biblical nor even orthodox Christianity. The Word (the second Person) became flesh; His human nature came through Mary, not “via the Spirit.” The Spirit caused conception, yet the humanity derived from Mary. To assign Jesus’ humanity to the Spirit is to confuse agency with source.

Next, if the Spirit were Jesus’ father, then the Father is displaced or duplicated. The Trinitarian relations are eternal: Father, Son, and Spirit. They are not roles that shift during the Incarnation. The Son did not come into being because the Spirit fathered Him; He eternally existed and entered the world by taking human nature.

Yes, the Word was Jesus and Jesus was (is) the Word, but only after the Incarnation. The Person of the Word took on human nature; the humanity did not pre-exist as “Jesus.” To speak as though “Jesus” existed in heaven before being conceived collapses the distinction between the pre-incarnate Word and the incarnate God-man. Scripture says the Word came down from heaven, not the human body.

You interpret “came down” as “the God part of Jesus,” as though Jesus were two persons glued together, one human and one divine. That is a form of Nestorian dualism. The correct understanding is that the one Person, the eternal Son, came from heaven and assumed human nature. The descent refers to His divine origin, not to a detachable “God part.”

In short, your post confuses the roles within the Trinity, treats the Spirit as Jesus’ father, divides Christ’s natures by Person, and implies two fathers and two persons in Christ. The biblical and coherent formulation is simple...
  • The Father sent the Son (the eternal Word).
  • The Holy Spirit caused the conception in Mary.
  • The Word Himself became flesh, truly God and truly man, one Person forever.
  • In some very important, but not well understood sense, to discuss Father, Son and Spirit is to speak of the same singular God and, as such, it was THE God Himself who became a man and died for our sin and rose from the dead three days later.
 
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