ECT A Question For the Preterists

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Interplanner

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No punt about it, only those who believed were meant but it was offered to all. You guys just strain to salvage 2P2P.

covenant: I cor 11
2 cor 3
In 2 Cor 5, today is called the day of salvation, the time of grace; that is what the new covenant was about.
Christ in Mt 26 and parallels.

You're trying to evade the stupidity of what you said about the other gospel in Gal 1. You do the whole bible that way, evading what christ was doing. Which is why you do so much insulting and dehumanizing and demeaning. Guess whose spirit?

Everything offered in hebrews pertains to the whole human race but that letter is one final shot at them, the Hebrews. The offers are identical.

We know that Paul widened the meaning of israel to all of the new creation in Christ, because it is all based on what is true in Christ. That is the fundamental thing that is so ugly and misdirected about every thing you say RD. It is not 'in Christ' in the NT sense.

There is no theocracy offered in the NT. There is not going to it, or going back to it. It is nowhere in the mentality of the NT. You should go through the main doctrinal chapters of the NT and show it if it is therre. There is no 2P2P that needs fixing, needs to be resolved, no unfinished business.

and there is no legitimate 'other' gospel in Gal 1 that christians are believing; there is the demonic one Judaism believes--Judaizers--and that goes without saying. But there are not two 'equal' but Christian gospels competing.

You read the whole bible that way, and it is a crock.
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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Interplanner said:
These are all ridiculous and your last shows you are a total stranger to Christ.

Everyone knows that 'many' is not a tight theological battle line. It's just that many will refuse, and you only have so many words, so you don't say the complicated thing everytime that "I offered this to everyone but only a few believed." Your take on that is too ridiculous for further comment.

I don't know where testament and covenant were divorced from each other by you guys, but its 'diatheke' and it is way more times than what you said. You are hung up on one translation and think it is all very tightly constructed. Not.

The NT does not 'repeatedly' say it is just with Israel. That is a lie. It is for all mankind. Because the 2nd party of the covenant is neither Jew nor Gentile, but Christ. And Christ is 'all and is in all' who believe, so it's really with all mankind everywhere.

I don't know who taught you this ugly, niggardly, stingy spirit, but it has to go. Nothing in the NT sounds like you, anywhere. What a crock.

Stop being so fricking literal about things like titles of Hebrews. The first chapter opens showing that he is the last word from God. Does he have to point out for little minds like you that this is the last word for all people on earth, or is it just Israel unless he says for all people on earth. Your conceptions of things are atrocious, and I'm glad you are about the only one who does it this way. It reeks.

You at least had some logic to your answers, which proves mine were not incoherent, but polar opposite. But you always start with a flawed base, as you do in Gal 2's grammar. Completely flawed. so was your link. The question would be whether Christians were believing two gospels in opposition to Judaism, not Judaism's gospel. Foolishness.
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More rationalizing, instead of belief.
 
john w

john w

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SaulToPaul said:
Remember john w, the paradigm with which we view the NHNE event against the backdrop of the gospel event determines the level of unity with which we can present the "one good news".
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Remember, Mayor:The question is 'what case is it?' (what prepositional case). You have a landmine next door. The landmine is that you are messing around with the obvious, and not greek grammar. Just keep one rule: don't go long. Try one sentence per 'section' as found in a good trans like (fill in the blank), or a good commentary,2 at the most for a chapter. It is a very informative experience.

What was the subject, Mayor?
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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john w said:
Remember, Mayor:The question is 'what case is it?' (what prepositional case). You have a landmine next door. The landmine is that you are messing around with the obvious, and not greek grammar. Just keep one rule: don't go long. Try one sentence per 'section' as found in a good trans like (fill in the blank), or a good commentary,2 at the most for a chapter. It is a very informative experience.

What was the subject, Mayor?
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Do you not know, john w, that Heb 8:8 means that we all belong to the "tribe of Christ" now, so you need
to drop your stupid literalism and get with the "NT program". Agreed?
 
john w

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SaulToPaul said:
Do you not know, john w, that Heb 8:8 means that we all belong to the "tribe of Christ" now, so you need
to drop your stupid literalism and get with the "NT program". Agreed?
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As far as I can tell, your God would be lying to tell Israel that Israel is Israel. Israel was only a shadow and copy of the reality that was coming. You want to be able to criticize for vague and then you are the only person who has ever attempted to have a 'corner' on the term NT that is different from the NT. You're exhausting.

What is your shoe size? What commentaries are you reading?
 
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Wick Stick

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john w said:
Remember, Mayor:The question is 'what case is it?' (what prepositional case).

What was the subject, Mayor?
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I thought the question was "how old is she?" and that one should never ask the question, although it seems different gents differ as to the reason we oughtn't.

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Interplanner

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SaulToPaul said:
More rationalizing, instead of belief.
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There is not a hint that there are two gospels that are positively spoken of in Gal 2 or anywhere. there is one Gospel preached by both Peter and Paul, and one opposing gospel which the Judaizers concocted. That is the situation of the text.

2P2P invents another scenario because it is a fraud.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
1p1p steals the promises of God for themselves because it is satanic.
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That shows your total misunderstanding: the one program of Paul is so that all people, no matter their background, have the same thing on which to fellowship and believe. You don't know the NT, you don't know its message, you don't have its spirit, etc.

Acts 13:39
Rom 3:29, 30
10:12
Gal 3:26+
Col 2:9, 10;
3:11.

You are not in Christ, otherwise you would be full of declaring the excellency of it.
 
Right Divider

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Interplanner said:
That shows your total misunderstanding: the one program of Paul is so that all people, no matter their background, have the same thing on which to fellowship and believe. You don't know the NT, you don't know its message, you don't have its spirit, etc.

Acts 13:39
Rom 3:29, 30
10:12
Gal 3:26+
Col 2:9, 10;
3:11.

You are not in Christ, otherwise you would be full of declaring the excellency of it.
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You say that Peter and Paul teach the same thing, but you only quote Paul. Interesting.....
 
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