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doser may be a life long student, a career student maybe
Interplanner
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1M1S wrote:
The only grounds for joining with another man is upon the death of her husband or having been divorced for fornication.
A few things are not clear here. 1, between the two genders, Mt 19 is speaking mostly to men. Mk 11 makes it more symmetrical.
2, By using the term 'fornication' you've referenced the situation addressed in OT law--if the spouse learned of sex before marriage there was a ground for divorce. Mt 19 is referring to the problem of the Pharisees using the divorce law to switch partners in a tidy manner and then NOT calling it adultery. Clearly the bottom line is that such legal divorces were adulterous. But you could never say that unless it was already understood that there was the 'usual' kind of adultery.
The only grounds for joining with another man is upon the death of her husband or having been divorced for fornication.
A few things are not clear here. 1, between the two genders, Mt 19 is speaking mostly to men. Mk 11 makes it more symmetrical.
2, By using the term 'fornication' you've referenced the situation addressed in OT law--if the spouse learned of sex before marriage there was a ground for divorce. Mt 19 is referring to the problem of the Pharisees using the divorce law to switch partners in a tidy manner and then NOT calling it adultery. Clearly the bottom line is that such legal divorces were adulterous. But you could never say that unless it was already understood that there was the 'usual' kind of adultery.
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1M1S wrote:
If what I said above is not true, then please provide scripture where Moses' bill of divorcement ever said a wife could put away her husband.
This is a good question. The advancement for women in Moses unique divorce law (it is not found in any other ancient near east codes) was that the woman received things owned together; that there was 'community property.'
Mk 10 has addressed the Roman world where women could initiate. That was also found in Hellenistic culture, as I recall.
If what I said above is not true, then please provide scripture where Moses' bill of divorcement ever said a wife could put away her husband.
This is a good question. The advancement for women in Moses unique divorce law (it is not found in any other ancient near east codes) was that the woman received things owned together; that there was 'community property.'
Mk 10 has addressed the Roman world where women could initiate. That was also found in Hellenistic culture, as I recall.
Interplanner
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I don't know why you have given the last paragraph. The Greek terms could easily apply to a married man having an affair with an unmarried woman, and use 'porneia' or 'akatharsia' or others for that.
1Mind1Spirit
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Where is the community property written about?
Yes, and it seems that at the time of Jesus, Judea as well as Samaria were not immune to the concept.
Interplanner
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I didn't mean the expression 'community property' was used. But the concept in modern use is that a couple's property is owned together, so a settlement must be as close as possible to 50% each. In many degrading cultures, the woman gets little or nothing (property was 'attached' to the man), which was the huge advancement made in the Law when compared to other ANE cultures.
As I understand it, prenup agreements exist to preserve other %s 'going in.' A settlement would then be as close as possible to those percents, by VOLUNTARY agreement before marriage.
1Mind1Spirit
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Are you saying there was no difference between fornication and adultery?
musterion
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Some are attempting to make this guy suffer consequences for what's proved to be someone else's behavior.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...ll-not-welcome-at-his-college/article/2581088
On the upside of this story...
THAT should not be 'a twist.' It is what we need much more of in cases like this.
From a 2014 thread
A Poll! I'm 54, She's 27...
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100357
A Poll! I'm 54, She's 27...
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100357
ok doser
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it was her idea, actually
we were both in agreement about putting the legal process in abeyance
true dat
ok doser
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you saw the "this is a hypothetical, based on my life situation and my plans for the future, right?
do we really need to know about your personal history?
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is this the place to discuss it?
I don't think so
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this should apply to others here
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is this the place to discuss it?
I don't think so
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this should apply to others here
ok doser
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and you understand what a hypothetical means?
so?
do you have any scripture saying that we can't entertain hypotheticals?
ok doser
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well, we do tend to get sidetracked :chuckle:
i'd still like to see tam defend her statement in the OP, but i suspect that she never will :idunno:
ok doser
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:freak: are you calling me lumpy?
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