Again, you are simply mischaracterizing the type of event that started the process. It was NOT the instantaneous release of ALL the energy involved.
I've not said it was. It was no more instantaneous than is the energy released when one fires a cannon. It's fast but not instantaneous. The energy is released and imparted to the projectile, accelerating it for as long as the pressure behind the projectile is higher than the pressure in front of the projectile. It has that much time to get to its maximum velocity and no longer.
The more or less stationary material would have had to achieve sufficient velocity to end up in very far distant orbits in a matter of several seconds at most.
Of course it does.
Of course it does.
It doesn't RD! Neither variable affects the argument I am making in the slightest. If you think it does, you don't understand the argument I'm making. If anything, the longer this process took place and the more material that was accelerated, just serves to add to the problem.
Again, you seem not to understand the details of the theory. (Hint: It was not the initial explosion energy that got the TNO's to where they are today).
I understand that there would be things that complicate it but it doesn't matter. Just getting the material to the asteroid belt would be impossible for the same reason. Orbits past Neptune just serve to exacerbate the issue past any threshold of credulity.
Dr. Brown did not give details and neither do you. You just make grand claims that it cannot have happened without any proof of your claim.
I've given details in the past including the math concerning the inertial forces involved on objects that would undergo such acceleration. We can melt projectiles ourselves by using rail guns that don't accelerate projectiles at anywhere near the velocity that would be required to send something even to the Moon, never mind to the asteroid belt or the orbit of Pluto. And that's mostly caused by heating related to the friction caused by something moving through the air at just five times the speed of sound, never mind the 17 to 20 km/s (relative to the Sun) that would have to be achieved to enter into orbit in the asteroid belt.
From a previous interaction with Chat GPT.....
I asked in response to answers previous given:
Would the inertial forces not melt or even ionize the material as it was accelerated off the surface of the Earth at such velocities?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, the inertial forces involved in accelerating material to escape velocities (or beyond) would almost certainly generate immense heat, potentially melting or even ionizing the ejected material. Here's why:
Key Factors
- Compression and Heating:
- During a catastrophic ejection event, material would experience extreme compression as it is accelerated. This compression generates heat, potentially raising temperatures to the point of melting or vaporization.
- Shock Waves:
- The explosive force required to eject material at escape velocity would create intense shock waves. These waves propagate through the material, causing rapid heating and potentially ionizing it, depending on the magnitude of the force.
- Atmospheric Drag:
- If the material is ejected from the Earth's surface, it would encounter atmospheric drag at hypersonic speeds. This interaction would create additional frictional heating, likely vaporizing the material before it even reaches space.
- The atmosphere might also strip lighter volatiles, leaving behind only denser, refractory materials.
- Phase Transitions:
- The temperatures involved could push the material through various phase transitions:
- Solid to Liquid: Melting of rocks and metals.
- Liquid to Gas: Vaporization of less refractory components.
- Gas to Plasma: Ionization if the energy is sufficient to strip electrons.
- Energy Requirements:
- The energy required to accelerate material to 11.2 km/s (escape velocity) or beyond is immense. The kinetic energy imparted translates into heat due to internal friction and other forces, raising the temperature of the material.
- Example: For a 1 kg object moving at 11.2 km/s, the kinetic energy is:
KE=1/2mv^2=0.5×1×(11,200)^2=62.7MJ
This is enough to melt or vaporize many materials.
- Resulting State of Material:
- Melting: Most solid materials would liquefy before escaping the surface.
- Ionization: If the energy exceeds the material's ionization potential, it could form plasma, especially if the event is sufficiently violent.
Conclusion
Yes, material ejected from Earth at such extreme velocities would likely melt or even ionize due to the immense inertial forces, heating from compression, and shock wave energy. While some of the resulting plasma or vapor might cool and condense into solid fragments in space, the initial ejection would fundamentally alter the state of the material. This further complicates the idea of such material forming stable, intact celestial bodies like comets, asteroids, or planets.
Now, I don't necessarily believe every syllable of what Chat GPT tells me, but all that seems quite reasonable to me and it does a good job of communicating where a good portion of my objection is coming from. I would add, however, that the ejected material would have to coalesce under it's own gravity in order to form bodies such as Pluto, Charon, Ceres, Vesta, etc. A process that many creationists find very problematic, to say the least, and that no theory would permit to happen in less than hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years.
