‘Pastor Protection Act’ Unanimously Passes Georgia House

[Jose Fly]

Do you not comprehend those words? The state cannot impose taxes on churches. They cannot impose secular regulations on their standards, either. That includes homosexual marriage.

Are you paying attention? That's pretty much what I just said. :duh:

 

[Crucible]

Are you paying attention? That's pretty much what I just said. :duh:

Extra protections are being put in place because they want to be proactive with atheists and activists treading on the religious.

Things are being redefined on the fly now. The Jose Fly :chuckle:
Take for example what 'endorses religion'- it used to be preaching or supporting it in schools, now you have to tread carefully wearing a crucifix or having a portrait of Jesus somewhere.

You have disdain for the Separation clause when it doesn't work in your favor- atheists utilize it all the time to try and shun away religious ideology, but get angry when it builds a wall around your airborne biases.

 

[Jose Fly]

Extra protections are being put in place

They're not extra protections, they're redundant protections. Even if these bills never got signed into law, it's still illegal for the government to tell pastors who they can and can't marry in their own churches.

because they want to be proactive with atheists and activists treading on the religious.

Where? Where has any atheist or activist successfully forced a pastor to marry someone he otherwise wouldn't have?

Take for example what 'endorses religion'- it used to be preaching or supporting it in schools, now you have to tread carefully wearing a crucifix or having a portrait of Jesus somewhere.

Now you're jumping subjects.

You have disdain for the Separation clause when it doesn't work in your favor- atheists utilize it all the time to try and shun away religious ideology, but get angry when it builds a wall around your airborne biases.

Examples?

 

[Crucible]

Where? Where has any atheist or activist successfully forced a pastor to marry someone he otherwise wouldn't have?

Oh, bring up the one thing they haven't yet done.

^
This, folks, is where atheists pretend they haven't protested, sued, harassed, and attacked all matter of Christians and institutions for years out of nothing more than disdain for Christianity.
It's the most predictable thing to exist, and happens every. single. time.

 

[Jose Fly]

Oh, bring up the one thing they haven't yet done.

Um....it also happens to be the topic of this thread and the point of these "Pastor Protection Act" bills.

So I guess thanks for making my original point for me (that these bills are a solution in search of a problem). :up:

 

[Crucible]

Um....it also happens to be the topic of this thread and the point of these "Pastor Protection Act" bills.

So I guess thanks for making my original point for me (that these bills are a solution in search of a problem). :up:

And then when it does happen, and we talk about Christian day cares getting sued which hasn't yet happened, you can perpetuate exactly what you are doing now

That is how you all operate with every thing that happens and onto the next.

 

[Jose Fly]

And then when it does happen

....it will be illegal, whether there is a "Pastor Protection Act" in place or not.

and we talk about Christian day cares getting sued which hasn't yet happened, you can perpetuate exactly what you are doing now

So again, all you have are imaginary future events.

That is how you all operate with every thing that happens and onto the next. Should I provide an example of the sky being blue?

Looks to me like you kinda want something to happen.

 

[Crucible]

Looks to me like you kinda want something to happen.

Christianity is under attack, and so Christians need to get bold.

 

[Jose Fly]

Christianity is under attack

Where? Specific examples please.

and so Christians need to get bold.

And do what?

 

[Crucible]

Where? Specific examples please.

^
This, folks, is where atheists pretend they haven't protested, sued, harassed, and attacked all matter of Christians and institutions for years out of nothing more than disdain for Christianity.
It's the most predictable thing to exist, and happens every. single. time.

Every conversation with an atheist is exactly the same.

Playing dumb is like the liberal's instructional bible.

 

[Jonahdog]

Churches never had to pay taxes in the history of the United States. They predate taxation and the tax exemption carved out for them was because the US government is constitutionally prohibited from interfering with the free exercise of religion.

"A call for ending tax exemptions for religious institutions is a call to close them down—or at least to plunder them of their property. That is what is going on here. Think of the irreparable harm that would follow if and when these many small churches are effectively forced to close their doors—harm that will come not only to these ministers and parishioners themselves, but also to the poor and vulnerable: lost foster-care services, tutoring of teens, material and spiritual relief for the poor, and character development, often in the places it is needed most.

I am wondering if the average gay-marriage supporter flying the rainbow on his or her Facebook profile knew he or she was signing-up for this when agreeing to support gay marriage? I doubt it. Surely we can come up with more sensible ways for people of good will to hold their differing views—ways that don’t involve annihilating one another. Oppenheimer’s suggestion is not an encouraging sign. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail."
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/29/ending-tax-exemptions-means-ending-churches/

1. Government can’t pick some churches to tax & regulate but not others.
2. If we tax churches, then we will need to tax all not-for-profit organizations.
3. To tax churches, government would need to have the (currently unconstitutional) authority to audit and regulate churches.
4. Taxation would benefit large churches and ministries and harm smaller ones.
5. It wouldn’t solve the problem.- See more at: http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/...ver-is-right-commentary/#sthash.ZAMlYN9a.dpuf

sorry, byt taxing churches would not be an unreasonable impact on religion. Nor is an audit of a church unconstitutional. In fact it should be mandatory to insure that the church is using its $ for religious purposes and no other.

 

[Crucible]

sorry, byt taxing churches would not be an unreasonable impact on religion. Nor is an audit of a church unconstitutional. In fact it should be mandatory to insure that the church is using its $ for religious purposes and no other.

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

Let it sink in....

 

[WizardofOz]

A solution in search of a problem. What a waste.

A waste of what, exactly? If Georgia lawmakers want to create legislation how does it waste anything? That's what they're paid by their constituents to do.

Odd that it passed unanimously. There are no liberals in the Georgia House? :think:

 

[Crucible]

There are no liberals in the Georgia House?

:crackup:

It's Georgia.

 

[fzappa13]

If you don't see the threat to religious freedom that these new policies entail you are woefully naive. Churches' tax exempt status will most likely be threatened, along with any religious school's accreditation and funding. Efforts will be made to put them out of existence.

Please read Matthew 17 as many times as is necessary to hear it.


Mat 17: 24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


If you are of God you want to be taxed. If you're not, by all means, ask for your pass from the current rulers of this world. It is they who ask for tribute.

 

[brewmama]

Please read Matthew 17 as many times as is necessary to hear it.


Mat 17: 24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


If you are of God you want to be taxed. If you're not, by all means, ask for your pass from the current rulers of this world. It is they who ask for tribute.

Do you not know what a temple tax is? It's for upkeep of the temple and priests. It has nothing to do with the government.
And what point are you trying to make? What in that verse shows that if you are of God you want to be taxed? And what does any of this have to do with taxing churches?

 

[brewmama]

sorry, byt taxing churches would not be an unreasonable impact on religion. Nor is an audit of a church unconstitutional. In fact it should be mandatory to insure that the church is using its $ for religious purposes and no other.

As usual you are absolutely wrong, and the entire history of the US bears it out.

 

[fzappa13]

Do you not know what a temple tax is? It's for upkeep of the temple and priests. It has nothing to do with the government.
And what point are you trying to make? What in that verse shows that if you are of God you want to be taxed? And what does any of this have to do with taxing churches?

Okay, let's try this again ...


25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?



Where in God's green earth do you get temple tax out of that? ... the kings of the earth levy a tax to maintain a Jewish temple? Really?


:doh:

 

[brewmama]

Okay, let's try this again ...


25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

Where in God's green earth do you get temple tax out of that? ... the kings of the earth levy a tax to maintain a Jewish temple? Really?
:doh:

Wow, sorry you have such a problem with comprehension. They were being asked about a TEMPLE TAX, and Peter said that yes, they paid it, and Jesus said, where do kings get their taxes? And Peter said from others, so Jesus sent him out to get the TEMPLE TAX from a fish. And you make some off the wall conclusions about it.

 

[fzappa13]

Wow, sorry you have such a problem with comprehension. They were being asked about a TEMPLE TAX, and Peter said that yes, they paid it, and Jesus said, where do kings get their taxes? And Peter said from others, so Jesus sent him out to get the TEMPLE TAX from a fish. And you make some off the wall conclusions about it.

Keep playing with the word of God like that and you will reap what you have sewn.