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It wasn't verbalized in the same way, but that doesn't mean grace was absent in the other forms of the gospel. That makes us look at what the good news in each case is all about. If salvation is by works some of the time, and not by works other times, then I will have to admit that there are...

You've merely said that we don't do it (worship the church), but gave no reason why? If the bread becomes the body (however it happens), and sinners become the body (however it happens), and if we should worship the bread because it is His body, we should worship the church.

I think @Ps82 is seeing those born in the garden as "sons of God", because they didn't have a sin nature, and weren't subject to death because of Adam's sin. And after Adam sinned, he had a son "in his own image", including being subject to death. I don't know why that would produce giants, but...

You slipped into a different thread.

Why not? Are you saying domes can't have balls in them? I can show you they can. But more importantly, if the dome is also a ball (sphere), then at any point on the surface of a ball (sphere) earth, the viewer would see a dome above.

My point was that truth is still hidden from the Jews, even after it was revealed 2000 years ago. Agreed. It seems, like so many RCC doctrines, to be a grand distraction from the simple truth of the gospel.

You keep bringing this up, but what was "the beginning of the gospel"? Surely you don't think it was when Paul was leaving Macedonia, do you? In other words, the Macedonians didn't hear the gospel, because it only began when Paul was departing? So what was Paul preaching the whole time he was...

In neither of those citations was the gospel what was hidden. Rather: Ephesians 3:6 KJV — That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: How do we know this? It starts in the previous verses: Ephesians 3:3-5 KJV — How that by...

But it seems like it was revealed (through Christ's death and Paul's message), and then hidden.

Why would you want to mar the image of God?

Yes, but you have also started many threads like this one, so it seems like you want to regurgitate it.

What does "fountains of the great deep mean, if not literal fountains and a literal deep? Because I think we would both agree that the water spewing out of the earth was fountains in the literal sense of the word, right? And deep refers to either the above ground seas (my view) or the...

Would you like to give us a synopsis of Paul's gospel so we can compare?

Why was a figure of speech used for the windows of heaven, but not for the fountains of the great deep? Doesn't it seem like the two would be treated the same, or if as you say, at least have connecting text to show that the literal one caused the figurative one?

So, what's your point? It's harder to decipher your sentence structure than the straight word for word translations you quoted.

Paul's gospel was preached in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 3:15 KJV — And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

It is, even today: https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/inescapable-truth-isaiah-53/

Why? Why would one want to symbolize wine? Wouldn't it be because wine reminds us of something else? Otherwise, we are worshiping wine. Do we worship Jesus' blood? Or do we worship the one Who gave His blood? Do we worship the body? Doesn't that mean we worship the church at least as much as the...

You have to put "Jesus" in quotation marks, because you know He existed before, without the name.

Maybe the answer to the confusion is that it is impossible to draw such a distinct line as you are drawing. And I'm not opposed to your premise, that the name of Jesus is intended to refer to the person who is both God and man. I just don't see where it is necessary. If Jesus is the name applied...