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Too all of you I have take a break from TOL for little while. The company I work for has be sold and the new ownership have been making changes. I have been getting up at 4 am to start work at 5 am, I have been working 10 to 12 hour days and am exhausted because of this. This is a transitional...

In trying to prove something there is what is called an alternate plausible explanation. All cosmologies have plausibility in some respect which is why they all have followers. That's why we look for those things that create contradictions, incoherence, and are empirically unverifiable...

As I said, things move in relation to what is not moving. Not things are moving in relation to everything else moving. The opposite of moving is not moving. Experiments have shown the heavens are moving not the earth in relation to each other. My apartment is not moving around me. Cars are...

If light travels at a given speed in a specific direction. And if the earth travels at a given speed as it rotates and as it orbits the sun. Wouldn't the time it takes light to hit the earth be different when the earth moves toward the light source as opposed to when the earth moves away...

"Airey's Failure" Here is another experiment that shows the earth to be stationary. --Dave

FERC - Michelson Morley Experiment Proving Flat Earth is Motionless Michelson and Morley expected to show how fast the earth was moving. They were surprised to find no movement. Sagnac later reveals the existence of the aether in his experiment. You don't have to view this whole video to see...

Maybe because it's the moon that is moving. Can you gets stars? --Dave

All Christians are between a rock and a hard place, Christ being the rock and Einstein's relativism being the hard place. The reason Einstein is wrong is because the Michelson-Morley experiment was correct, the earth is stationary. This experiment was supposed to show how fast the earth moved...

Yes, thank you. And go star gazing on a clear night, right? --Dave

This thread has proved that the proofs for globed earth are not empirical but are imagined and more counter intuitive that I had previously thought. The following from Wiki under the heading of counter intuitive sums this up very well. Globalism is the acceptance of "relativity" by virtue of...

I think that how the sun moves across the sky is important and time laps gives us that understanding better than just seeing the sun as it sets. But I will go watch a sun set. I have found a place with a large telescope and I plan to see the stars too. --Dave

But that's not what we see, planes are flying straight and they are not gaining altitude. --Dave

There is time laps video that I have posted that shows the sun getting smaller and bigger as it moves across the sky. If you missed it I will post it again. --Dave

Thanks, I'll check out these links, --Dufus Dave :dunce:

I have found a place in New Jersey where my son says we can view the stars thought a telescope. But I would think I should make sure it's a clear night, right? --Dave

Horizontal stabilizers and elevators keep a plane flying straight/level. Jets flying level/straight would be a fair test for a curved earth. Elevators would have to be adjusted to follow the curve and not adjusting them would keep the plane flying straight. The difference between a plane...

These photos/videos were as blurred, if not more, than the one's I posted. That's all I'm saying. --Dave

If a plane can...then the earth is not a globe. --Dave

You can have this view but it violates the rule of logic in two ways. The law of identity or definition, level is not level on a curved earth. The law of non contradiction, A plane cannot both be going straight and ascending at the same time. The rules of rational thought have been abandoned...

Sorry, this does not help. --Dave