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Raw Uncut High Altitude Balloon Launch Above California Do you see the horizon fall away and go down as the balloon goes up? Or, do you see the horizon stay at eye level and rise up as the balloon goes up? --Dave

Sunlight is said to take 8 minutes to get here. So where we see the sun is not where it actually is. It's 8 minutes ahead of where we see it in globe model. The sunlight coming through the earth's atmosphere is said to be refracted also making the sun not where we see it. The sun is below or...

Not to scale and not to perspective as we will see. Do we see the sun where it actually is? No, we don't. --Dave

I'm still waiting for someone to comment on this. Ok, here is what I'm talking about. We know we are not walking up hill even though the horizon is at our eye level. The clouds in the distance are not on the ground they are above the ground the same distance as they are directly over our...

I have explained why that would not be the case since you did not factor the distance in height would have the same effect as the distance along the flat plain of earth. --Dave

Even in the globe model the distance of the sun from the viewer is greater at noon than at sunrise and sunset. The point I made was not to be exact but to answer the argument that the sun would look much smaller at sunrise and sunset than at noon. A low small sun over a flat earth would not...

The point is, regardless of distance, the sun over a flat earth will look relatively the same over head as it does at the horizon. The change in size would not be as dramatic has been argued by critics. --Honest Dave

Ok, the ground rises up and things get smaller the further away they get. Imagine the tennis ball in the pic rising up over your head. What happens? It shrinks in size proportionately to the distance along the flat surface. A tennis ball directly in front of you 10 feet away appears the same...

The problem is that we already know what the phenomenon, atmospheric condition, is for an upside down mirage to occur and it's the same condition that an upright refraction occurs from--warm air passing over cold air. The question is not reflection vs looming it's warm air passing over cold air...

Ok, here is what I'm talking about. We know we are not walking up hill even though the horizon is at our eye level. The clouds in the distance are not on the ground they are above the ground the same distance as they are directly over our head. Maybe not exactly but you get the point. The...

Put your money on the table and make a comment on what perspective is if I'm wrong. --Dave

Unless perspective is the reason, or one of the reasons, that we cannot see very far into the distance. --Dave

Perspective means the earth beneath our feet appears to rise up in the distance when actually it does not. Things in the sky appear to fall downward before us in the distance when they actually do not. --Dave

That would be a debate but in another thread. --Dave

You can't deny logic. --Dave

How do we test for perspective? Before I give the answer I yield the floor to you all first to explain perspective. --Dave

Again, no answer to my argument. --Dave

Sorry, this is not a rational answer let alone an answer. No matter how you say it the fact remains waters are not level/flat/straight on a globe over any distance. --Dave

All arguments in favor of any view on any subject must follow a logical construction. Saying I don't understand of light and vision does not address my arguments. This is another form of the ad hominem fallacy. I have pointed out a fallacy in the argument that the upright image of Chicago is...

I have a better idea go out and look at the horizon and determine if it hits you right between the eye's or not. I've looked out over the ocean from Brooklyn millions of times and I know where the horizon hits me. --Dave