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They weren't contradictory.

Obviously not. Just like his point to you. To then go into calling each other names certainly does little to help.

"Made him"? Do you mean "what forced him to become a Christian?"

Correct! The way God punished kings was to bring other nations to rule over them, which put the king under other law systems. But it wasn't part of the Mosaic law.

@JudgeRightly explained it fairly clearly, but you never did. But JR wasn't quite getting @Gary K's point (meaning Gary could have been clearer before getting his own panties in a wad). Here's his post: His point was that the thief's application of salvation to himself (forgiveness of our sins...

Reminded me of the Be Like Bill meme generator:

Neither you, @Clete. @Gary K made a reasonable comment to your reasonable comment, asking you a question, and you can give a reasonable answer. Give each other the benefit of the doubt for a moment and wrestle to understand each other's points before lapsing into nonsense and name-calling.

This one would be better if the guy on the beach were Strom Thurmond, with the other malapropism, of course.

What are they being saved from? So you've said before. But Peter was the one that received the dream about clean and unclean animals in reference to Gentiles in the Church. Peter wrote to the same groups Paul wrote to. Peter and Paul were not of different Churches, different faiths. Peter was...

But you said that such salvation wasnt the same thing even for the kingdom-looking Jews. So you claim for the kingdom a form of godliness while denying it power to save. You do realize perseverance and endurance are synonymous? Yes, and to have continued on through Paul's ministry and beyond...

Yes, I agree, but if the definition of His kingdom coming is that God's will is done on earth, then the church (the body of Christ) embodies the kingdom. If his body is us, then His kingdom has come on earth, at least to some extent. 2 Corinthians 1:6 KJV — And whether we be afflicted, it is...

So, if someone dies before the kingdom comes about, then they didn't endure to the end, so they can't enter the kingdom, right? Meaning that if you survive past the end of Jacob's trouble, then you will get to move on to the kingdom? It's all about survival, right? If you die, then that means...

Well, your point, if I understand it correctly, is that there is a difference between how a Jew is saved compared to a Christian, and the difference you are focusing on is that Jews must endure to the end, and Christians don't have to endure to the end of anything. Please correct me if I've got...

Right. So you are going to explain the context for me? We're talking about salvation, but I don't see anywhere that says Christians aren't supposed to endure, do you? So tell me, when is it ok for Christians not to endure?

So, how much should we endure, if not to the end? Is it ok for Christians to give up at the first hint of persecution, and bow to Caesar? If not the first hint, what about the 3rd or 4th or 10th or 100th? When is it ok for a Christian to stop enduring?

Maybe it's his lazy way of asking you to clarify.

And we choose whether to apply it in our minds or not (faith).

What slippery slope?? I don't see any slippery slope. Do you?

I saw this today. Different part of the country, but same.

My propane guy confided to me when he delivered the other day that he was working on an antigravity device.