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No, that's an over statement. I mean, the difference between believers and non-believers is belief in the gospel, right? Idolator's evasiveness is tantamount to a denial of the gospel itself and so that's hardly a meaningful line to draw, right? I mean, that's already the line between believers...

:) The question that I was attempting to answer in the original thread is what must be minimally believed in order to be "begotten of the gospel" as you put it. Those six points was my answer to that question. Is there something more you think must be added to what I've included or anything...

You are the one who isn't answering questions. Non-sequitur. One could not accept Paul's gospel (no need for quotes - Paul is the one who calls it that, not us.) without repentance. There is no sin so egregious that Christ's blood cannot cover it. You are not only an idiot, you're a...

Based on this, which I do NOT take to be definitive for all Catholics, I can know, without question, that you are not a Christian except in the Catholic sense of the word. You certainly are not a Christian in the biblical sense, in the SAVED sense of that word. No true believer could even...

Well, if you ask me, that's what I'm doing. That's sort of the point of the exercise, right? I started that thread to provide an explicit answer to the question, "What is Paul's gospel?" That's an excellent question but what I've driving at presumes that a person has believed all six points of...

That isn't a point, it's you being an idiot. Answer the question. What does believing that the body of Christ started with Paul have to do with ethics? Why would my ethics be any different than yours? Why would my understanding of justice be any different? Why would my understand of love be any...

Excellent! That's a good starting point. Which four (or more) points do you say are superfluous? For ease of reference, I'll re-post the six points here and I'll included a very brief explanation as to why I believe they are necessary... God exists and is the Creator of all things and He is...

No it isn't.

We could not have come from microbes any more than from a random assortment of carbon based chemicals but I wouldn't be willing to grant you the intellectual ground that starting things from microbes would afford you. However far we are from microbes wouldn't be 1 billionth as far the microbes...

On what do you base the belief that it is not possible? For the purposes of this discussion it would be going to Hell to pay your own sin debt. Do you believe that can happen once someone accepts the gospel as I've presented it? Paul was referring to those who preach that believers must...

Well, the discussion is predicated on the gospel as I have presented it, which I'm not necessarily attached at the hip with, by the way. I'd be happy to be shown where it needs correction. So what if a person accepted the gospel as I've presented it and then, after that, someone came along and...

None of this made any sense whatsoever. I can't even tell if you're a Catholic or not after reading that! Can you not simply answer the question? It isn't that complicated of a question! Does your religion teach that if someone merely and only believes the six points I've presented as the...

I absolutely have no idea what in the world you're talking about! What does Mid-Acts Dispensationalism have to do with anyone's ethics?

Atheists almost always have a conception of faith that is not biblical. Indeed, most Christians share the same unbiblical understanding of faith, which is pathetic and sad. Many think that faith is about believing something IN SPITE of either evidence to the contrary or simply a lack of...

Of course we can and do! What are you even talking about? Your entire objection seems to be a wild over reaction. We are not suggesting that is it "okay" to add to the gospel. It isn't okay, it's sin! But Christ died for all of our sin! You are effectively telling us that we are preaching that...

Do you suppose that someone who has trusted in the shed blood of Christ as payment for their sin and believed all the rest of the gospel as I have presented it, if he desires to obey what happens to be a false teaching, that such obedience is sufficient to overcome the shed blood of Christ? It...

The major issue there, so far, is the belief that water baptism gets you forgiven of sins. It does not. Leaving that aside, however, this does not really answer my question. What is the point of this confession? What effect does it have besides giving you membership as a Catholic? Does it have...

Yeah, right. Tell me again who isn't the problem? If this is the way you think, then on what basis do you call me a universalist? If this the way you think, then on what basis do you say that Catholics would be included under the gospel as I have presented it? I will continue to do so until...

For whatever reason, those all read as gobbledygook to me. They could mean something I agree with or they could mean something else.

I don't know much about Catholic doctrine so if it turns out to be the case that they, in fact, do not agree with my list, then I wonder on what basis musterion claims that my list would include Catholics?