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  1. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    Umm, that's not from my list. :unsure:
  2. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    I'm not so sure that they do but if they do then I'd say that in spite of the great damage that they're doing to their own spiritual lives, they'll still be delivered safely to the day of redemption. Right and as such they wouldn't agree with my list. They'd insist that it was incomplete. Do...
  3. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    Clearly that is the case. Exactly! And the major goal of producing that list is to see what's left over when you take everything that is debatable, all the fuzzy areas, out of the equation. Well, I think you're giving a lot of Catholics a lot more credit than they've earned. I think that it is...
  4. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    Well, I would have guessed but I think I would have guessed wrong based on what I think you're saying here. How does that work then? How do you deal with the "foolish Galatians" (Gal. 3), for example, who had clearly gotten into legalism? Were they not saved in your view? Surely not. The end of...
  5. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    That's beside the point. Whether they are contradictory or not, the point is that both can be believed and often are. Oh yes, there's no doubt at all that they were confusing / mixing dispensations but very nearly the entire Christian church does that. Is it your belief that only Mid-Acts...
  6. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    The only way I know to answer that question is the way I've answered similar questions from Musterion... I believe that anyone - ANYONE - is saved if they believe the following.... God exists and is the Creator of all things and He is perfect, holy, and just. We, having willfully done evil...
  7. Clete

    My Problem with Creation Science

    Argument from silence. There is no scripture licensing the belief in electrons. There is no scripture licensing the use of automobiles. There is no scripture licensing of standing on one foot. There is no scripture licensing of praying to Mary. There is no scripture licensing of..... fill in...
  8. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    I'm not sure what you point is. I agree that Rom. 10:9-10 is not the whole of the gospel, thus the other five points in the list. Are you suggesting that there is something I need to add to the list or were you simply making an observation about that passage?
  9. Clete

    My Problem with Creation Science

    Well, true enough but any discussion about common descent or any other aspect of evolution jumps well past the point of how life began in the first place. When asked how life could have arrisen from lifelessness, the best answer you get from any evolutionists is "I don't know." and they think...
  10. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    That's a load of nonsense. It's not a "creedal list" in the first place, if there even is such a thing. The bible teaches doctrines related to all sorts of different topics including salvation. Making a list of those doctrines cannot be construed as being some sort of substitute for the bible...
  11. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    Transalation: "I stopped reading your post as soon as I read a single sentence that I felt like I had the time to respond too." Her posts are all still here for everyone to read and so are mine. If you had bothered to actually read my post, you'd have known that I explicitly said that the...
  12. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    It shows no such thing. She's denied accepting the list but that wasn't good enough for you because you wanted to get to any point at all in the discussion that would allow you to type the above quoted sentence and what she said wasn't even actually good enough for that! I've asked you over and...
  13. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    I wonder if TG realizes that JR doesn't dispute that Jesus taught exact what she is claiming that He taught? 🤔
  14. Clete

    Our Moral God

    My statements were not intended to make any commentary about the King James Bible per se. The actual origin of the use of the term "word" is not relevant to the point. My point was merely that the only reason any English dictionary has any reference similar to definition #7 in the one you cited...
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    I don't understand how you can get something like this so wrong and mix it together with stuff that you get so correct that effectively refutes what you got wrong. You start by totally getting the appeal to authority fallacy wrong and then go on to explain a terrific reason why an appeal to...
  16. Clete

    Our Moral God

    There was no other conclusion to draw other than that you were mischaracterizing my position because you repeatedly refused to make an argument. I literally had to goad you into making any sort of explanation at all and even that was pathetically unsubstantial. What you've posted here is the...
  17. Clete

    My Problem with Creation Science

    You're wrong of course. I just got through proving it. Of course they say whatever they want but, as I seem to never stop telling people, saying it doesn't make it so. So you allow an argument that you openly admit that you don't really understand to defeat the single most tested idea in all...
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    In fact it can be proven that life COULD NOT have come into being purely by natural means. The most fundamental laws of science and perhaps the most tested single idea in all of human history is the law on entropy. The effect very simply cannot be greater than the cause. Substance does not...
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    That last line of your post is the central point (or at least a very important one). The fact is that truth is truth. There are not multiple kinds of truth. There is not spiritual truth and scientific truth. There are truths that may fall into those separate categories in regards to their...
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    Our Moral God

    Your misunderstanding / mischaracterization of my point(s) is not the equivalent of my actual point(s). "The Word was with God and the Word was God" & "The Word become flesh and dwelt among us." The use of "word" in the above manner carries no meaning in English. That just simply isn't the way...
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