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You've given no such examples nor do any examples exist. And there is no such thing as the irrational communication of truth. Communication, whether from God or from anyone else, may take different forms (e.g. writing, spoken words, visions, emotions, etc) but they are all rational if they have...

So do you agree or not? Are science and philosophy two truly different things or aren't they? You seem to want it both ways. Of course there is a sense in which they are different things but my point was that in the fundamental sense, they are the same thing. That "thing" being the application...

It is concepts of timeless eternity and exhaustive divine foreknowledge that are the "construct for (of) mankind" and is a human rationalization not the truths of scripture that explicitly states that God does live in time and does not have anything close to an exhaustive knowledge of the future.

It is impossible that I will ever understand how someone can contradict themselves so consistently while thinking that they are saying something profound. I just do not get it. Lon talks about loving God not just with our mind "but with our hearts, abilities, and desires as well." as though it...

Saying it doesn't make it so. There was nothing at all clear about your last post. Except that He didn't say that! What's more is that He absolutely could have said just what you suggest, if that's what He meant and Abraham would have totally understood it without any problem whatsoever...

Excellent post! I'm not going to respond to it all as I'm not wanting to disrupt your conversation with Idolator. I just want to focus on the two highlighted sentences in first part of your post. I'll quote them here for easy reference... I prefer to view science in the sense that it is an...

I figured someone was! This new software is awesome, by the way!

The formatting of your post was so poor that I almost decided to completely ignore it all together. I decided to respond to this single question.... I didn't accuse God of lying, I accused you of accusing God of lying. I'm the one who believes the the scripture plainly states. I'm the one who...

:cool: Thanks Sherman! I just reread the post and found a couple of minor typos! I hate that! (we need the :doh: smiley back! )

This was said to suggest that the passages I cited were figures of speech. They are not figures of speech. They cannot be. When the bible talks about the Spiritual (i.e. non-physical) God as having eyes it is a figure of speech meaning that He can see. When it talks about Him having arms, it is...

The word Logos does not convey the meaning of "person" but the words "houtos" and "autos" do! They are personal pronouns that are usually translated as "him" or "her" depending on the context.... John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same...

Believe it or not, what you said in your post puts you well outside what is considered the pale of orthodoxy by a great many Christians. Calvinism in particular would insist that there is no form or kind of knowledge that God does not possess and to suggest otherwise is blasphemy. They, of...

That is not in dispute. The argument in question doesn't deny that at all.

A big percentage of Christians who believe that "God knows the future because He decreed every thing that will ever happen at every point in time where nothing will happen that He did not decree" simply reject the notion of free will altogether. Their problem isn't in trying to resolve the...

Not in dispute and therefore irrelevant to the argument. Of course! No one has suggested otherwise. Since this also is not in dispute is too is irrelevant to the argument. None of this is relevant to the argument except perhaps one sentence that I don't understand. What did you mean to say...

The logic applies regardless of who its being applied to. It doesn't have to be God who knows. It doesn't matter who infallibly knows the future or how they know it so long as it is someone other than the person doing the action. If I infallibly know that you will answer the phone tomorrow at...

There is a forth response I've seen to this argument that I didn't think of when I wrote the post quoted above. There are those who accept the veracity of the argument but instead of rejecting foreknowledge, they reject free will. I'd say that, based strictly on this argument alone, that is a...

I assume then that you do not deny that the contradiction exist so far as our puny human brains are able to function and that there isn't any refutation of the argument not because its true but purely because we're just aren't smart enough to understand. Are you fine with any doctrine that is...

This is one of the most brilliant examples of formal logical argumentation that I've ever been exposed to. I have yet to see any refutation of it that was the least bit valid. The response by those who disagree with it takes one of three forms. 1. The person doesn't understand the argument and...

So, here's my list.... God exists and is the Creator of all things and He is perfect, holy, and just. We, having willfully done evil things and rebelled against God, who gave us life, deserve death. Because God loves us, He provided for Himself a propitiation (an atoning sacrifice) by becoming...