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  1. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    He could hardly be wrong could He? He does tell Peter He's telling him the truth about what's he's going to do after all. Hardly a hunch or something...
  2. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." Sounds like Jesus knew exactly what Peter was going to do and in very specific fashion. Pretty darned clear really.
  3. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    It's already been explained and in basic terms so repeating the same serves what purpose exactly? You didn't bring a 'challenge', you brought some scenario you thought was worthy of being credited as one when it wasn't. The actual case of Peter was and is far more relevant. No, I don't think God...
  4. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Er, on Peter disowning Him three times. Peter replied, "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." But Peter declared, "Even if I have to die with you, I will never...
  5. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Of course they aren't at least in relation to choice/will which is what's being discussed in context. There's a difference between programming people to do certain things and allowing will while having foreknowledge of what people are going to do. Pretty basic stuff. Your question has been...
  6. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    From Matthew: Peter replied, "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." But Peter declared, "Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you." And all the...
  7. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    In some detail indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_Peter#:~:text=Following%20the%20arrest%20of%20Jesus,as%20the%20Repentance%20of%20Peter.
  8. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Apparently God can't know the future because you say so Stripe and all of your limited understanding and parameters apparently have to apply to God.
  9. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Hardly, I'm describing two entirely different things. One, where God knows the future in entirety because everything is set up by Him and the other where God knows choices people make while affording choice/will. They aren't the same thing much like foreknowledge isn't determinism. Your ice...
  10. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    It's only determined if God sets things up to be that way. Knowing that you're going to make choices in your life and what they'll be is not the same thing at all. If you don't get it then eh, carry on and cry determinism if ya want. It isn't but what the hey.
  11. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Didn't God state what Peter would do? It hardly reads as a "what may happen" scenario Stripe. Has it occurred to you that God may have known what Peter would do and that he still had a choice? Imagine that eh?
  12. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Of course not, I have the same reference of time as any other person. Difference is, I'm not applying human limitations and understanding to an omnipotent deity and declaring that such can't know anything in advance because of those.
  13. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Of course it's not what I'm defending, it's a view that I disagree with and until you finally realize that foreknowledge doesn't equate to determinism or predestination then there's no point in continuing. There's an obvious difference between the hyper Calvinist belief that everything happens...
  14. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Well, if you want to limit God's capabilities to your own limited frame of linear reference and understanding then sure. Otherwise...
  15. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Hey, you used to be an English teacher or something, right? Do the math or in this case, English. If God knows what choices you are going to make and allows you the will to make those then how is that determining that you will make those decisions? Understand now? I'm guessing no but hope...
  16. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    When are you going to realize that I'm not ascribing to a "settled view" and understand the difference between foreknowledge and determinism? Until you can do that then this is pointless. Just because God may know what you are going to do doesn't mean that you don't/didn't have choice. It is as...
  17. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    No, it's rather that God affords you volitional choice in matters while knowing what it is you're going to choose/have chosen is all without any influence or coercion. Until you can grasp that basic concept it's no wonder you're struggling with the difference between foreknowledge and...
  18. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    So you don't understand the difference between foreknowledge and predeterminism then. Okay, noted.
  19. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    Sure you would, unless you were forced or programmed into doing so. Foreknowledge itself doesn't equate to that so take it up with determinists or understand the difference.
  20. Arthur Brain

    Do you believe in predestination ?

    If God knows what choices people are going to make beforehand then of course it's infallible, that's not under dispute. Stripe's scenario had a completely unnecessary factor and only weakens his and by association your argument frankly. Why even bring God telling a man that he's going to choose...
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