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Er, nice strawman? : Plain: You and the UB make odd little straw men to try and burn and knock down. Yet Jesus wasn't the one actually talking to Dr. Sadler or his cronies.... Ah, a god among many, subject to the cosmos, not a creator God of all things.... Dr. Sadler's carnality is...

It is incorrect. The vast majority of scholars are Christians and do not agree with this assertion. The majority, in fact, do not believe Luke was mistaken. It is irresponsible and unforgivable to deal in untrue commodities. Do you have to resort to hearsay to shore up Dr. Sadler...

It doesn't matter what you told me. It matters 'what Jesus said.' Incorrect. It is all true or 'half' true. Which makes more sense? When committed to an idea? No, you are very wrong. Grammar is correct whether you want it to be or not. I don't have to do anything BUT appeal to the text...

Compare: Luke 2:2 At that time the Emperor Augustus ordered a census of the Roman Empire. 2 This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 All the people went to register in the cities where their ancestors had lived. 4 So Joseph went from Nazareth, a city in Galilee...

Why? What reason? A theological construct? I'm saying contextually and grammatically you cannot rule out 1) that "I Am" is a given and 2) that before Abraham 'was' I 'am.' Only a desire to have a time-constraint upon God would have anybody arguing the point. There is no necessity to...

I'm saying that Jesus said "before Abraham 'was' I 'Am.'" It means 1) I Am and 2 Am Both

It only matters if it is pertinent to the thread. You aren't the one that gets to make that assessment. Part of the NEEDED discussion is what you actually can bring to the table. :sigh: ...attacking the windmills of your own machinations.... No, I don't have to do anything. I've no idea...

It HAS to mean both or neither is true. Both are true.

See, Caino; this is just rationalizing. You've bought a lie simply and only for YOUR sentiments. Long ago, I knew I needed Him, not Him me. Your god is you. You've looked for a religion that demands nothing of you, because, specifically, it is a god in your own image. When I first came...

Agreed. I ignored Keypurr because this thread was never to be banter between us and them, but rather simply the scriptures that one must read and acknowledge. The answer to Keypurr, of course is in scripture: Jesus is both subordinate to the Father, and "One with the Father." He is both...

Few Jews accept Him. Jews no longer have priests so HAVE to believe blood isn't key nor that they need remission of sin. It doesn't help your Urantia preaching gain hold on TOL. Worse: Jews reject the Lord Jesus Christ as Messiah. By association, you are lambasting the Son by going to a...

It shows you and Sadler pick and choose what you want to believe rather than what God dictates. We've been over this enough. You can't have your cake and eat it to. There is no such thing as the Holy Bible with Urantia icing on top. It ruins the message of scripture, busts up its...

To you. You are less than a percent. Who cares what you think? You don't have the where-with-all anyway, so it means fairly next to nothing coming from you. Ask a few more TOL members what they believe and if "Don't import you, export Him" is "ridiculous." You are the one who is...

A bit convoluted. You'll have to unpack this (regardless of how funny it seems to be to you). I can tell you, straight up, you haven't really listened. You attack ideas that nobody presented long before you ever listen. This IS the Unitarian problem more often than not. Again, it is a...

Welcome to the conversation. Appreciate your joining in. In Him -Lon

Then, honestly, you've nothing you can trust but yourself. You've a god in your own image at that point (as did Sadler). Nice spiritualizing of the text :Z It isn't how one reads and does theology: to suit their whims and already cemented Eastern Philosophies. Where? Not the UB. And the...

Rationalizations that appeal ONLY to men and their flesh and fallen sensibilities. It appeals to men in their fallen state that want nothing else. It is very much Eastern Mysticism Nirvana expressions from fleshly people.

ALL to give you an opportunity to turn YOUR drive-by away from being a drive-by (against TOL rules). I don't CARE if you don't like Calvinists. Doesn't bother me in the least. What is more? You have no idea even, if I am one! :noway: It doesn't matter, this isn't my thread. It is about...

Not NEARLY as bad as you imagine. Our divisions are congenial enough. There is proof of this at every big Christian concert, event, and gatherings (like the old Billy Graham Crusades). Dying? :nono: Not at all. Shrinking a bit? Yes, but not dying. Changing up. I do, however...

Ah, "John 12:49" Ever use an interlinear?