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"Now?" In the story, God waited until the knife. Realize in the story, Abraham is greatly conflicted, not a killer. When I was a child, age 8 I wanted to commit suicide (thank God He saved me). I held the knife to my stomach and started to push. It hurt. I stopped and cried out...

I've just yesterday eschewed 'pan-en-theism' as a descriptor. The largest reason is because it has locked into it, the idea that God 'is the world' (not reflexively) thus it is one step away from pantheism and problematic. Until yesterday, I'd have said my ideas were panentheistic in...

I appreciate that and have thought accordingly. Let me say at this point, that it goes much further than that because I'm still wrestling where others have already stopped. Good/bad? I believe good else I'm not after the pattern of the Bereans. I want to search a thing out. Part of...

I believe this my most important post in this thread and it marks a turning point of meaning and discussion. Rationalizing is important, we have to wrestle with ideas lest we understand shallowly or wrongly. How do we read "Now I know" without thinking through the implications? If, as OV...

I yet must reconcile 'in Christ' and 'in God' from scriptures. It cannot be ontological else God is physical but I yet must wrestle with 'in Him we live and move and have our being' which intimates at least our own physicality. I simply want to know God, know His word, and what He is...

Rather, I'm trying to go the scope of the thread: How much does God know before we do it and 'how' does He know it? I John 3:20 "God who is greater than our hearts, knows all things." Omniscience? Something like? How restricted? You said not until after we do something. How...

How? Like you know me? How well do you know me? How do you 'know?' Aren't we intimating at guesswork as such, at best?

It is a concordance given. Even 'if' you saw it as 'now,' how did God know even then? We rather are well-aware that God who is greater than our hearts, knows our hearts that you, yourself gave in thread. No? The Septuagint uses νῦν which also isn't exactly 'now' by necessity, but also...

Meh! At a certain point in my theology, the ideas of panentheism looked to coincide with my beliefs. Reading your links and further, especially this one, has to have me eschewing the term altogether. While I have identified, the term used at large, is heretical and cannot jive with...

"in" Him we live and move and have our being. I'm not going to rewrite scriptures. They will inform me rather. Understood. Guilty by association? While I don't mind early dismissal, I do want to get homework done. Does panentheism entail divergence? Yes. As such I may eschew...

Except observe doesn't convey the same meaning in English and is well within the Hebrew meaning. One might argue that 'observe' IS 'to see!' I agree, but we use 'to see' as a colloquialism 'to find out.' So out the gates, no longer does one read 'to see' as simply observing: we've loaded...

Sadly, I'm that guy. Attah (Hebrew) doesn't unerringly mean 'now I know! (now) as the only translation word.' Rather, like most Hebrew words, it has a broader meanings. "Since" I know, for example. Did a translator mean to intimate that God could not know the heart? We've pitted...

Use your concordance on 'to see.' We don't want to extrapolate too far what English tells us. "To approve, to validate," etc. are well within the scope here. We don't want to proof-text our theology from not grasping the full meaning of any one word, without scrutiny. "Before a word...

Again, I likely know more about alchemy than you do and it ain't much. It was a very honest question! That you didn't? 🤔 Ah, a bible hater I see...no wonder alchemy became your authority 💫 Again, I likely know more about alchemy than you do, and it ain't much. It's a bold assertion...

Are you sure? Crowd vs crowds. What significant difference? Do you catch any? Would you really be confused if I said either??? :nono: (1 Corinthians 1:18 NKJV) (18) For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the...

"Exists within God" is nebulous. God isn't physical. Scripture does say, in an ontological sense, this: Colossians 1:16-20 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [a]principalities or [b]powers...

Reread. Panentheism is the title of both articles I included, or was there another link someone gave?

Pantheism isn't the topic here, but rather pan-en-theism. Clete, note from the previous link that there is much controversy over the term and usage, especially, especially between Christians and Greeks as per the second link. My embrace is only so far as we are in God and He in us...

We are informed by scriptures. The Bereans were more noble because they searched if these things were true. Such requires making proper sense of the text. Agree. A very good biblical hermenuetic. This however conflates contextual understanding. I do go back and re-ask questions...

Pantheism, not pan-en-theism. Not panentheism, pantheism. See here on the difference Needs more study, there is a confusion addressed that is mostly against pantheism, not panentheism here. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself...