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In other words: "You've presented arguments that make sense and are well-supported that are in conflict with my theology, so I will leave this conversation."

And never based on what the person will do in life, at least according to Calvin and the West minster Confession. All that will be damned are damned before they they are born, and not because God knows what they will or will not do. I think Calvinism might allow for all infants to be elect...

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No, not if it appears after the apostles are all dead.

Sure, but the creeds are derived from scripture, so I'd rather look at the source.

Not a single verse. But if God enlivened us by His breath at the beginning, then it seems probable that it is required after death (in the resurrection). Here are a few that speak of life and God's breath: [Gen 2:7 KJV] And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into...

If they are unbelieving, then they are unbelieving. If they are testing their faith, then they aren't unbelieving.

I think they do. They will all claim "man's responsibility". They're just inconsistent with their "all things are decreed by God" tenet. So no Catholic approves what you are saying? The mother of God phrase carries with it additional meaning, like, for example, that a mother has to precede her...

It wasn't aimed at you, just a passing swipe.

You don't think Rom 9 is talking about how Israel had despised the whole purpose of being the chosen people by rejecting Jesus as their Messiah? And so they have worsted Esau's rejection of his birthright to a hundred-fold.

Are you talking Calvinism or "Idolaterism"? Isn't committing evil one of God's eternal choices He already made about everybody?

you lost me at comparing Calvinism to Mary Mother of God. Maybe you can restate and be more specific in what you are trying to convey, without trying to insert unrelated doctrines that you are trying to promote.

Maybe you aren't understanding what "the" means when modifying "man" and "woman". "Father" and "Mother" are not names.

Are you saying that God is pleased with people's sin? You say that Is 46:10 is proof that God decrees all things that happen , and that He does so from before the beginning of time (if I understand you correctly). And you say that Is 46:10 gives the reason for how God is able to declare the end...

How about [2Ki 20:1 KJV] In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live. [2Ki 20:5 KJV] Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people...

More like Jacob has now "supplanted" Esau in despising his birthright as the primary beneficiary of Christ's coming.

Right, the hope of glory. We have assurance of our faith in that the Holy Spirit is within us, a downpayment of what us to come, that is, the breath of God that will be breathed into us forever at the resurrection. That's why it is "faith" (the substance of things hoped for) now, because we...

By the way, @Crede, welcome to TOL. Hopefully you're here to discuss more than preach.

So all of our sins are predetermined by God?