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I didn't realise you reject the Judeo-christian scripture. I can give you the verses if you need to be reminded of what it says. Stuart

I'm sure that all means something to you. Stuart

Obviously a fair point. I think part of the problem is that Patrick Jane in particular has been linking the whole thing to Jesus somehow. I don't think Jesus is responsible for ancient Jewish ignorance of the basic workings of the solar system. Stuart

Is this self-mockery? Stuart

Well if you make the assumption that there is an invisible being that created everything and cannot love the things it made enough to let them be free, then there is some logic in becoming a robot with the status of a worm and doing everything you think it tells you, to avoid the totalitarian...

You still haven't explained why it is a problem. That will involve you citing mathematical relationships, which will then show that actually there is no problem. You might think yourself good at the Augustine vs. bible routine, but physics isn't really your thing, is it. Stuart

Not when it is a strawman argument. By putting the word 'self' in there you are already poisoning the well. The universe is not a 'self' in the way people generally use that word in reference to humans or other animals, rather you seek to imply there would need to be some personal being, but of...

Yes, atheists average 5 IQ points higher than christians on most such surveys. So what is engaging for a capable christian should prove dull for an atheist, on average. References, please. And citations to proper science, not wide-eyed idiots broadcasting themselves on YouTube. Everything is...

Atheism is one specific view about the world. But atheists hold a variety of opinions about origins, meaning and morality. It is quite common for atheists to hold to the scientific consensus in cases where science is relevant. But given that you were discussing memes, I thought the connection...

Why not? By the way, can you explain why the variation of gravitational attraction should be a problem? Stuart

I'll play. I think I'll choose ad hominem attack: The video is wrong because its maker is a moron. Obviously I have other reasons, like his complete lack of understanding of simple geometry, but I'll leave it at ad hom for now. Stuart

Well good, that's settled. We all believe the earth is a globe. End of thread. Stuart

Here's an interesting video: Which leads me to wonder, where are the protests at all the money being wasted by the US government in its efforts to maintain the conspiracy? How is that hidden in the annual federal budgets? It must cost millions of your tax money annually, your god-given money...

Here's a nice video: Stuart

Here's a nice video: Stuart

I don't see why you can't claim the flat earth fantasy and make it a heliocentric flat earth fantasy. There aren't that many geographical and astronomical observations made on earth that you haven't ignored or contradicted without evidence, so why not have the sun at the centre? I have no...

The gravitational force between the earth and the sun is not constant. Can you explain what problem that actually presents? Because, 4.51 billion years ago, an object about the size of Mars called Theia collided with the proto-earth, throwing up the material that would accete into the moon, and...

As they say, calling atheism a religion is a bit like calling 'not collecting stamps' a hobby. Stuart

No, but the earth's orbit is elliptical, and Kepler's equations model that, and make predictions about other orbits that turn out to be right. A circle is just one way of orbiting elliptically. Did you require evidence that the earth orbits in an ellipse? Try comparing the number of days...

I have to trust your judgment of his character. So the only charitable action is to treat him as a victim of a meme. The human brain is vulnerable, and memes like the flat earth fantasy are good at finding ways to exploit the vulnerabilities. I view christians as victims of the christian meme...