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Flat Earth-ism is a symptom of paranoia. Dave is paranoid that everyone is lying to him, and it's resulted in this nonsense.

DFT_Dave it's the same sort of logic that racists use. Oh, their skin color is different? They must not be humans like we are. Oh, they have a weird religion? They must be lesser beings than us. :vomit: Oh, the earth is different than the moon? The earth must be a different shape then. :dunce:

And you were soundly rebutted. Yeah, because the atmosphere that exists there is not capable of supporting life. If you build a sealed dome on the surface of the moon, and then put the same mixture of gasses in the dome that we have on the earth, and provide the right nutrients in the right...

"I'm assuming my conclusion that the earth is immobile to show that the earth is immobile." --Dave You still don't get it, do you? RELATIVE TO EVERYTHING ELSE, THE EARTH IS MOVING. Which makes your argument self-contradictory. You can't have a moving immovable object. This is why using...

Immovable, relative to what? Itself?

And we know it's not because of things like the pythagorean theorem. They're very real, and very far away. I feel like a lot of what I say in my posts is lost because you don't respond to my individual points in turn. "God being a reference point" has nothing to do with physics, because God...

That you think your arguments stand in the first place is saddening. You missed it. Try again (emphasis mine): It must first be reiterated that with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the...

Arbitrarily, yes, BY DEFINITION. Arbitrarily defined as such, yes. Why do you assume God needs a reference point for ANYTHING? Why not let God Himself be the reference point, and go from there? Sorry, Dave, but geocentrism doesn't work. If you define the earth as an absolute reference...

You just don't like it because it completely destroys your arguments. I break it up because you make so many different assumptions and claims and conclusions all in one sentence or paragraph that it is extremely difficult to address any of it. In other words, you obfuscate so that it makes it...

This is a straw man, Dave. No one has argued that the moon, sun and stars can support life. What has been argued is that each have an atmosphere. Why do you assume that we think that the Earth is the same as the moon, sun, and stars? That they do. Keyword "appear." Once again, ALL MOTION...

This is that thread. I've clipped the parts from the quotes above that are not necessary for this discussion. I'd like to request, before we begin this thread, that those who participate in this thread do their best to honor God in their posts...

It doesn't say either way.

1M1S has been :nuke:ed. :carryon:

Not what it says. Try again. It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22...

Most Christians accept the Bible as God's word, and that the teachings and stories contained within it are true. But how can we verify that it is true, when so many people say things like, *it's just a collection of stories/myths, but it has no real accuracy? This thread is designed to explore...

Would you be willing to find a map of the flat earth that you would deem acceptable and then share it here? This is simply false, and whoever told you that was an idiot who has never tried to make a sphere out of paper without crumpling it up. Experiment: Take an orange, use a permanent...

This I will agree with. :thumb:

Actually, I want to correct myself. Was thinking about it just now, and if the atmosphere extending out past the moon is evidence for the hydroplate theory (which is a model of both the creation of the universe as described in the Bible, AND a model of the Biblical flood of Noah, then it isn't...

Agreed. See below.

Actually, they are, because (even though it's extremely thin) it really does extend that far. https://phys.org/news/2019-02-earth-atmosphere-moon.html Which, is just more evidence for the Hydroplate theory.