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  1. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I'll try again. We should see the movement of the Earth relative to what? We see it's movement all the time. The sun rises and sets as does the rest of the things we see in the sky. It doesn't feel like the Earth is moving because we are moving with it but that doesn't change the fact that...
  2. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The marksman is wrong. That is NOT the Coriolis effect - period. He is flatly wrong. My bet is that there isn't any marksman anywhere that has ever said that. I totally believe that such an argument was put forward on those videos but that doesn't mean that any real marksman said such a thing...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Do yourself a favor and don't call an argument "absolutely true" until you've run it past me first. ;) Not so. The Coriolis effect is the result of the conservation of angular momentum. It cannot be "negated" except by a force acting in the opposite direction. What is it that you propose is...
  4. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Pretty sure that they're the same people who publish the flat fold-up maps! They're clearly in on the conspiracy though! P.S. Your avatar is terrific, by the way! One of my favorites I've ever seen.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    He doesn't have it wrong. Special Relativity states that time (all of it - past, present and future) exists. This is fundamentally fatalistic. There are many people who have made this and similar arguments for decades... The Block Universe of Special Relativity This is not be taken to...
  6. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What's the motive, Dave? Why would anyone care to keep the flatness of the Earth a secret or to trick the world into thinking its a sphere? Who benefits and how/why?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I started the first video you linked too and made it all of two minutes before I had to turn it off. You have got to be joking! You cannot possibly be taking these videos seriously! The Mississippi River would have to ascend up hill to reach the Gulf of Mexico? Seriously?! Come on...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    It doesn't. A hot object falls at exactly the same rate as any other object. The variables are things like air resistance and boyancy which can be effected by heat. NO ONE has ever said any such thing. The reason tides aren't observable in ponds is because its too small a body of water to...
  9. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Very well, I'll watch at least part of it.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The same way the air in your car (and you as well) moves with your car when you're driving it. The atmosphere is part of the planet, Dave. It all moves together. It all spins together on it's axis and it all orbits the sun - together. This is not at all a difficult concept. I am seriously...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Sorry for the delayed response to you last several posts, I've been away over the Christmas holiday. The above post does not address what I said in rebuttal to one of, if not the only actual argument you've made on this thread. And nothing else you've said on this thread has been of sufficient...
  12. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    If I promise to watch these videos will you begin to respond substantively to my arguments?
  13. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    This is not an answer. And I think you know that it isn't. You've always struck me as an intellectually honest guy who isn't afraid to think and to shed religious beliefs when sound reason requires it. Why the blind faith in a flat Earth?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    This was just released yesterday! I suppose it is just the latest in the ongoing spherical earth conspiracy.... This compressed view of the entire sky visible from Hawaii by the Pan-STARRS1 Observatory is the result of half a million exposures, each about 45 seconds in length, taken over a...
  15. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Density is a function of mass. The more mass in a given volume, the denser it is and therefore the more it "bends the four-dimensional space-time continuum".
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You can get even the cheapest telescope made and see round planets with moons orbiting some of them with your own eyes, Dave! You don't need YouTube or even an internet connection. It's direct inside your very own eye ball visual PROOF that planets not only exist but that they are not flat!
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    In actual fact, you wouldn't. On a flat Earth, the center of gravity would get further and further behind you and you'd eventually feel as though your were going nearly straight vertical and would fall backward toward the center. Check out this video of an excellent animation showing what this...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Hey! An actual argument! It doesn't mean the Earth isn't moving, it means the plane and atmosphere its flying through are moving along with the Earth. It's the same effect that allows someone to juggle on a moving train. Your argument is the equivalent of the juggler stating the his ability to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Of course, it allows for video, I've posted one on this very thread. But what I have not done is let the video do the work for me. I post actual arguments that people can respond to directly without having to watch some video. I am not going to watch a video, transcribe one or more of its...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Floatation is a function of GRAVITY! The reason more dense things sink is because gravity is pulling on them more than it is pulling on the less dense things. Smoke only rises because it is warmer (and therefore less dense) than the air surrounding it. When that condition no longer exists it...
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