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  1. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, What, specifically, do you find contradictory about the concept of gravity? I emphasize "the concept" because I don't believe either of us are qualified to debate Einstein's theories and, even if we were, I think you and I are mostly in agreement in regards to the contradictory nature...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You know I do. Why do you ask? If you are attempting to suggest that the theory of evolution beleives that nature makes decisions via some sort of thought process then, again, I have to wonder just what it is that you're up too here, David. I seriously reject the notion that you are this...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Your brother's face is moving. It's in a moving car and unless the car is leaving your bother's face behind then his face is moving too, as is the air in the car. Your breath is inducing even more movement which is relative to the car and everything else in the car including your bother's face...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yes, I did. I really don't like the format on this new version of vBulletin. The habits I've formed on it cause me to miss quite a lot of posts, I suspect. Basically, because of the limited time I have to do this - usually in the mornings just before work - if you don't quote my post or mention...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Incidentally, I almost didn't post the above because it concedes ground that isn't justified. Let me explain... The fact that very few (or even none - if there were actually none at all) flights go directly over the South Pole only proves that there is no demand for planes to do so. It isn't...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I last asked you just what it was about gravity that you considered to be self-contradictory. Did you ever answer? If so, can you tell me the post number, I seem to have missed it. Clete
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Wikipedia on Polar flight plans... Antarctica Few airlines fly between cities having a great circle route over Antarctica. Direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, but no airline has scheduled such flights. LATAM Airlines flies nonstop between Auckland...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    One cool way of doing the exact same experiment but with the help of modern technology is to use a GPS unit or use an iPhone app to determine your exact latitude. Then on the solstice, get a stick and take as careful a measurement as you can figure out how to make and then do the math and see...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I don't disagree with the point you are making here but just to be precise, it isn't natural selection that is the contradiction, it's evolution. Natural selection happens all the time. In fact, you can induce natural selection to occure rather easily. This is where we get antibiotic resistant...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Nope. The analogy is perfect - perfect. Read it again. Yes, we can. When you drive your car and you see a sign go by, is the sign moving or is the car and you in it? It's precisely the same with the Earth. You see the Sun go by but it is the Earth that is moving. The only reason you can feel...
  11. Clete

    Take Down the Bird Feeder!

    I bought a bird feeder. I hung It on my back porch and filled It with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it was, as I filled it, lovingly with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Okay, so hit me with what you consider to be the biggest flaw in the global construct.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Unless you're breathing something other than the air in the car, this objection doesn't make sense. You breath in air from the car and direct a higher pressure body of air in the direction of your brother which in turn moves your bother's hair. You made wind with your mouth, the Earth makes it...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Okay. I keep forgeting about the "Devil's advocate" aspect of your position. Okay, I can live with that. Except that I wasn't kidding, he's got 200 reasons that are all wrong. What I posted with just the first nine reasons I literally could do with every single reason he gives. If you can...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Motion is only meaningful relative to other objects. The air is NOT moving relative to the car. The air IS moving with the car relative to the road. No, that isn't it. It doesn't matter whether the air even exists. If we happened to be creatures that lived on a planet with no atmosphere or if...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Of course, you can! It's called wind and weather and atmospheric pressure. You live in an ocean of air. The former. It holds it, Dave! Clouds are floating on more dense air beneath them. Bird and planes move through the atmosphere in such a way as to create lift which opposes the pull of...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    From this silly video (Sorry Dave! I cannot keep from ridiculing it. It's is mind-numbing stupidity.) 1. The horizon always looks perfectly flat, 360 degrees around an observer, regardless of altitude. FALSE: An observer above 35000 ft with a near cloudless field of view of 60 degrees or...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What? Come on, Dave! Are you serious? Try swimming across a flowing river and see if you don't both go across the river and down steam with the current. This is really really simple stuff here. What's going on with you? Relative to the Earth's axis it is, yes! It still has to travel through...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Your testimony is! Just as the con artists on the Trinity Broadcasting Network do damage to the faith, so also does any Christian who stubbornly ignores sound reason in favor of blind belief, no matter the topic. The truth is rational! If you are seen accepting a cosmology that is clearly...
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