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"no matter where the Earth is in the frame" That is the key point. Notice also that the edges of solar cell array are nice and straight all the way to the edges of the images. There's no way to make the horizon curve without making the edges of those solar arrays curve as well. Unless you...

Wow. I spend I don't know how many months refusing to watch any of your stupid videos and then the one time I decide to hit the play button, the reason for my video boycott is reaffirmed and totally justified. You cannot possibly believe that the video is shot all with the same camera! One...

No David, it doesn't. It's close but not quite. In fact, it is very close. Close in the same sense the surface of water is level. It's actually very slightly curved but so slightly that for practical purposes, it's fine to discuss it in terms of being flat and level. But close isn't exact. In...

The illustrations you present are, of course, wildly exaggerated but it is true that, assuming no hills or other obstruction, the horizon line is always slightly below an observers line of sight. The Earth is gigantic in comparison to us and so the angle in well below the threshold of what our...

I wonder whether he'll ever notice that not only has there been multiple arguments that prove that a flat Earth is rationally impossible but there have been NONE that falsify the idea that the Earth is a globe. I wonder whether he accepts flat vs globe as being the only two rationally viable...

Okay. I thought you were referring to the math that we've done on the thread, which, whether you acknowledge it or not, is absolutely a kill shot in regards to a flat Earth. Either the Earth is not flat or math doesn't work. Clete

This is just so maddeningly stupid! First of all, the math that I presented to you was accompanied by images that we took with our own cameras within seconds of each other that showed the angle of the sun above the horizon at our respective locations. In other words, it wasn't just math that we...

So, this is wrong but lets go with it for now... Does this look like a circle?.... http://www.isstracker.com/

The orbits of satellites are very predictable. You can know precisely when the ISS will be visible in your location and when it will move into or out of the Earth's shadow. Take a wild guess what all the math that is used to make those predictions is based on? Hint: It can't be made to work...

Anything besides this refraction stuff.

I'm responding to my own post to point out that I was wrong. It isn't the apparent size that would be subject to the inverse square law. If we were talking about an object's apparent surface area THEN we'd be talking about geometric progression but when talking about the apparent size (i.e...

The horizon dropping is exactly what actually happens! The problem is that the Earth is large enough that the difference is too small for our eyes to resolve. With sufficiently precise instruments the effect can and has been measured but only by the illuminati and others involved in propagating...

Possible? Probably. Who cares? Yes, three layers is more than one layer. There could be several layers and they would not have to begin with a cold layer near the surface. Temperature is only one of at least three variables. None of which is at all relevant. Saying it doesn't make it so...

Then we never see the real thing of anything, David. See my previous post. Stupidity We know how refraction works and I've asked you over and over again about why we can't see cities from 50 miles away on a regular basis and you ignore the point! YOU IGNORE THE POINT! "It isn't the issue." If...

Of course it is! The fact that it's bounced off a piece of glass doesn't change it's source, just the path it took to get to your eye. That is not relevant to whether what you are seeing is that actual city, which it is! What else would it be? Is it a pretend city? Are we imagining it? If the...

More than one layer of atmosphere! :bang:

We DO NOT get two different effects from the same atmospheric condition! How many times do I have to answer the same objection? Do you know what a temperature inversion is? Let me just tell you. Normally warm air masses want to rise and cold air masses want to sink. A temperature inversion...

Interesting. That is not what I expected you to say. Being a weather related phenomenon, I expected it to be quite predictable. They know the air temperature, humidity and pressure pretty well so it must be the water temperature that they don't have sufficient data on to make the prediction...

Because I'm bored to death with this treadmill discussion about refraction, I'm going to jump to a different treadmill discussion... Dave, You occasionally reject arguments on the basis that they presuppose that the Earth is round. I wonder if you've given any consideration to how a round...

Is the weather man able to predict in advance when it is likely to happen? If so, is he also able to say how strong the effect will be (i.e. how much of the skyline you'll be able to see)?