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  1. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, David it is not nonsense. It has been PROVEN! Because we are moving right along with it! If you get into a jet and go twice the speed of sound, once you've stopped acceleating you would feel that either and you could look down at the instrumments and they'd appear to be totally motionless...
  2. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Are you suggesting that gravity isn't a force but rather some form of kinematic something or other? If not, what was the point of making this comment?
  3. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The word weak is a relative term. It is just strong enough to cause what it causes, David. I mean, how am I supposed to answer that question? The exact same force that causes apples to fall from trees is what keeps the Moon in orbit around the Earth and the Earth around the Sun. Newton proved...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Be specific. Where have I done such a thing? I do not affirm their reality (ontologically). They exist as ideas, nothing more. How am I in error? What else are they besides concepts? They do not exist outside of a thinking mind. Gravity is weak in comparison to nearly anything you care to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Who cares what Einstein "made it"? Time and space are what they are - ideas - period. Everyone wants to give Einstein more credit than he deserves. He deserves a great deal of credit, he was a brilliant man but just because Einstein said it doesn't make it true and much of what people put in...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I love that shot of the far side of the Moon! The Moon has got to be my favorite object in the sky. I've taken several photos of it myself. It's so obviously solid and round and real that it's literally histerical to hear anyone suggest otherwhise the way some flat earthers do.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    This is subtly self-contradictory, it seems to me. You seem to want both space and time to be both real and not real. Space is no more an ontological thing than time is. Both space and time are ideas, not things that God created nor are they things that have always existed along with God. They...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Except that you aren't debating and you aren't even investigating. When someone refutes an argument you've made, simply repeating the argument as though nothing was said to refute it doesn't count as debate. That's called stubbornness (or worse). Besides, this thread has been going on for...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Yeah, that's exactly why this bothers me so much! Don't let this thread deter you. Everything on his website is worthwhile so long as he hasn't added a bunch of FET stuff.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I don't think I'd go that far but it is totally confounding. Have you seen his website? It's full of stuff that is just brilliant! What it feels like is that he's had a stroke or been in some sort of accident that caused brain damage because it just doesn't seem possible that the same clear...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You can repeat yourself all you like and you can lie all you like (to yourself mostly) about the veracity of your so called evidence but it doesn't change reality and it doesn't change the fact that I have personally proven that the Earth cannot possibly be flat. I thought that I might be able...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    There have been many proofs presented in this thread that the Earth cannot possibly be flat that you haven't even bothered to address, nevermind refute. And I mean it when I say PROOF! And yet you refuse to allow simple reason to persuade your mind. WHY? I invite you to read my post #3462 and...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It actually doesn't but the difference is tiny because the balloon isn't very far off the surface of the Earth in comparison to its size. The Earth is a very big sphere and even if the balloon is very high in relation to the size of a human being, its still quite close in relation to the size of...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    For those of you who are Christians and who hold to this nonsensical idea that the Earth is flat, in spite of the several indisputable proofs that have been presented in this thread, I would like to ask you to consider just why you refuse to allow plain reason to persuade your mind. I'm not...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Okay, so it turned out that I had a really nicely clear sky this morning. Not that it turned out to matter much because things aren't exactly flat where I'm located and so my horizon is slightly elevated above what it would be if I was looking out over several miles of water but, nevertheless, I...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    On Wednesday, March 20, 2019, at 5:58 p.m. ET we all have a chance to prove once and for all that the Earth is not only not flat but that it is, in fact, spherical in shape. That's right every single person on this thread along with ever single person who belongs to any Flat Earth Society...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    They'll go, they'll figure out that they were wrong and it won't convince ANYONE who didn't go with them. They'll either fade into obscurity and be forotten (ignored) by the flat earthers or they'll be turned into villians who were never really flat earthers to begin with but where really NASA...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, it's saying that whether it changes or not, the time it takes to travel one arc diameter remains the same. In effect, it implies that the Sun slows its apparaent speed with a reduction of it's apparent size. That's why I asked him what I did. The fact that the Sun's apparent size does remain...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, I don't think that's what he's arguing. See my previous post.
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