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I refer you again to my previous post.... All systems will have flaws, yes, but the system being discussed here wasn't proposed lightly. Israel didn't really demand much of a move. It was not a fundamental change in the form of government, it was merely the installation of a king to preside...

I suspect because it took more faith than they could muster to accept God as their King. I'm sure they felt like having an invisible God as the King was like not having a king at all and they wanted a king that they could see with their own eyes like everyone else around them had. That's pretty...

Why can't it be right? Logical Necessity 1 That state of things which obliges something to be as it is because no alternative is logically possible. Further, it doesn't lock the real God into anything anyway because the real God doesn't actually know the entire future! That's the whole point...

Yes, and then that argument was rebutted by more than one of us who not only explained that it would only apply in the context of a nation that God had offered to rule as King over and provided ample resources to other more substantial rebuttals to your interpretation that come with scores of...

Everyone can have an opinion. The difference is whether that opinion can be established by scripture AND sound reason. This is a debate forum not a personal opinion forum. Please, please try to apply yourself toward making actual logical arguments. It will be much more enjoyable both for you and...

Exactly my position! There seems no good reason to leave the selection entirely up to a purely random selection where every male in the country is on equally likely to be selected as the king of an overtly Christian nation.

Take your time. I totally get it.

Only true for the nation that God has offered to reign over. Here's a copy of a post I made earlier in the thread that addresses this point.... All systems will have flaws, yes, but the system being discussed here wasn't proposed lightly. Israel didn't really demand much of a move. It was not a...

That much is not in dispute but that isn't really what I asked. The question was rhetorical. We are talking about how to set up a government system in the most ideal way possible and the dispute is primarily about how to select the first king. My contention is that the biblical system of...

Aren't both things true? It is true that Christ's righteousness was not a result of His obedience to the law but, being found as a man under the law, His obedience to the law was required and had He failed to submit Himself to the law and obey its commandments, He would have disqualified...

Try this as a response to your position... T = You answer the telephone tomorrow at 9 am Yesterday God infallibly believed T. [Supposition of infallible foreknowledge] If E occurred in the past, it is now-necessary that E occurred then. [Principle of the Necessity of the Past] It is...

Exactly! That's just exactly the whole entire point! Plato, Augustine, Luther and Calvin all said that God is immutable, not the bible. And they meant exactly that, by the way. The doctrine of immutability goes way way beyond a belief that God's character (i.e. The traits related to His...

How is that in any way responsive to what was said to you? What does that have to do with the fact the BECOMING a man (or anything else for that matter) is antithetical to the notion that God is immutable?

Quite well indeed! Any better and I couldn't stand it!

Saying it doesn't make it so, marke and it is not MY definition of immutable, it is THE definition of the term. That's what it means, Marke. I'm not making this up as I go! immutable (ĭ-myoo͞′tə-bəl) adjective Not subject or susceptible to change. Not mutable; not capable or susceptible of...

The form He took is NOT relevant to the point. I thought I had made it clear. Let me repeat... Appearing in the form of a man doesn't make you a human man. GOD WAS NEVER EVER A HUMAN BEFORE THE INCARNATION!!!!! That single point along is sufficient to explode the doctrine of immutability into...

It's turned into a religious belief system. There is nothing rational about any of it. It's just fear mongering and conspiracy theories from top to bottom.

It isn't nonsense! It's the facts of reality! There isn't any question at all about it. It's very well established and unanimously accepted facts of history. Calvin's doctrine is nothing really but a reformation version of Augustinian theology and Augustine very very clearly states that he...

The person of the Trinity whom we refer to as God the Son has always existed along with the Father and Holy Spirit but He was not ever a man (human) before the incarnation in Mary's womb. From that point on, He has been and He will forever be a man with a human body complete with the scared...

I'm not surprised. I get them all mixed up. I can't keep up with which wacko said which wacky thing. The point is that it's not like I'm making stuff up off the top of my head. I quote a post and respond to what was says. If I make a mistake, all anyone has to do is point it out and I correct...