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As is the case with a great many of your posts, as well as the lion's share of every distinctively Catholic doctrine that exists, every point can be responded to with one single sentence.... Saying it doesn't make it so! If you care to make an actual argument, I'd be glad to read it. As for...

@Unsettler, So, I was reading back through some of this thread this morning and realized that I sort of failed to make the point in the above quoted post. I made it, just not as well as I could have. I was way too rushed at the time. What is said there about those who believe that you can lose...

Yes. Paradise is not a technical term. It's an adjective. So what? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be. The paradise Jesus spoke of is/was the place of the righteous dead. It is elsewhere refered to as Abraham's bosom. The implication being that it is where Abraham was...

Not in the way you mean it. To be SUPER clear here... There is NOT a single solitary thing you can do to escape the Holy Spirit's seal nor do you have the power to pluck anyone, including yourself, from God's hand. You didn't earn your salvation and you cannot give it back this side of staring...

Yes! That is, he will be delivered safely to the Day of Redemption. What happens after that point is an open question. It depends on the individual. What we know for certain is that no one will enter Heaven against their own will. By the way, I knew what the term meant, I just couldn't bring...

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The debate about whether one can lose their salvation is centuries old. If you were undecided about the issue and wanted to educate yourself on it in an attempt to figure out who is right and who is wrong, what you'd likely do, as a first step, is go to get a book or two or three on the subject...

Umm... what? 😵‍💫

Paradise can refer to several things. Eden was paradise and the New Earth will also be paradise. Abraham's bosom is paradise as is God's Heaven. The fact that these various places are referred to as, or can be rightly describes as a paradise, is not even evidence, never mind proof, that they're...

So we're almost, if not entirely, in agreement except that you seem to put more emphasis on the "up" or "down" -ward direction than I do. I agree that Abraham's bosom is not Heaven but neither is it Hell. The only thing the two have in common is that it's dead people who go/went there. One is...

Yes, yes, yes. I am fully aware of the bible's use of the word "Hell". I'm also aware of how every person teaching from those passages has to explain that the verse doesn't mean "Hell" as virtually all modern English speaking people think of when we hear the word.

Are trying to go on my ignore list?

I mean that if you attempt to establish the idea that you can lose your salvation, you will not be able to do so without using passages that were written to/about Israel. Put another way, you would be forced to NOT rightly divide the word of truth. That's sort of close to being the primary...

Jesus DID NOT go to Hell, JR. He was dead and He went to the same place that all the other righteous dead went to. Calling that Hell is a great way to be confusing and to communicate something other than what is actually meant. This passage simply teaches that everyone dies. What? Abraham's...

What are you even talking about? I didn't accuse you of anything. I simply responded to what you wrote! You're an idiot.

Perhaps, but anyone that teaches that Jesus was tortured in Hell for three days, enduring the same sort of punishment that those who are permanently sent to Hell will endure, is a blasphemer. If that is not the intent of saying that Jesus went to Hell then whoever is saying it needs to realize...

I responded to the words on the page. I'm certainly not interested in reading your mind. Say what you mean or live with it when someone responds to what your write. If I (or whomever) seems to have missed important context then clarify yourself and be done but you didn't do that. You said what...

Bob (and I) both would agree. Prophecy of impending doom is first and foremost a warning. Jonah's prophesy about Nineveh is a prime example. Given this agreement, I'd submit that the dogmatism that you detect is an errant perception on your part. There is no way to establish this doctrine...

@Unsettler, Just wanted to say that I'm actually glad to see that we don't agree on everything. You're a smart guy who isn't afraid to believe things based on the verdict of your own mind. That should make for some very excellent conversations, which I'm very much looking forward to!

They couldn't rightly think that no matter what Paul was saying here. The context makes it plain what is being said. It cannot be otherwise. If you want to believe differently then there isn't anything anyone can say to move you. I definitely am NOT an adherent to the perseverance of the...