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  1. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Exactly. Jesus elevated the law to it's proper perspective and purpose in that it revealed the necessity of a Savior (the spotless sacrifice) which was grace to the sinner, otherwise it would have been the sinner that died. The law came via Moses but grace and truth came via the Lord Jesus...
  2. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Certainly not me. I have not claimed otherwise. Jesus, the 12, and Paul taught mercy and grace above law. Paul says he preached the gospel he once tried to destroy, which was that Jesus is the promised anointed one that would bring the whole world together. And what the risen Christ taught...
  3. Tambora

    when did Peter use the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven ?

    Hebrews 7:12 ESV (12) For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. . . (18) For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (19) (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a...
  4. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Then you have misunderstood me. The restoration of the earthly kingdom of a once again united Israel is an earthly promise. The DBR of Christ was for the whole world (all people of any nation) and does not negate the earthly promise made to the earthly nation of Israel. None of the apostles...
  5. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    How does anything in my post refute that????? I have never denied the future restoration of the earthly kingdom of a once again united Israel.
  6. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Yeah, their whole build up was to the death and resurrection of Christ. But there had been other resurrections from death, even in the OT. So just to teach that one had been resurrected was certainly rare, but not unheard of. In all those instances there was a flesh man (an intercessor, a...
  7. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Exactly. The composite message in all four gospel books (Matthew Mark Luke John) is the atoning forgiveness of sin (for the whole world, not just Israel) by His death on the cross, and His gift of life from death (for the whole world, not just Israel) by His resurrection from the grave.
  8. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Readers can discern for themselves. At least they are shown what Paul really says.
  9. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Paul said we preach and so you believed. ("we" being him and the other apostles he just mentioned) 1 Corinthians 15:11 ESV Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
  10. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Because it was the gospel he preached. The same gospel he and the others preached as he says in: 1 Corinthians 15:11 ESV Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. Believe it.
  11. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Not at the Tower of Babel. The calling of Abram was after that.
  12. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    1 Corinthians 15:1-11 ESV (1) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, He's talking about the gospel he preached to the Corinthians. (2) and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless...
  13. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    I didn't say otherwise. You are battling a strawman.
  14. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Too bad you don't listen to what the Lord says. The Lord was there and He knew it was not the appointed time for the united earthly kingdom promised. The Lord Jesus Christ plainly said at that time that His kingdom was not of this world. Nothing man did could possibly have thwarted God's own...
  15. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Not only that, but they didn't even have their own kingdom at the time anyway. They were under Roman rule.
  16. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    No. Israel was not a nation when mankind was dispersed at tower of Babel. Israel was a nation created from the nations. They already got the land and a king a loooooooong time ago. Then they were split and dispersed. They have not had a legit king since the return of some of them from the...
  17. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Israel is a typology of the longsuffering of God towards mankind. Paul recognizes that, which is why he uses sooooooo much OT scripture about Israel and applies it to all nations (mankind). Adam (mankind) fell, as Israel did. Mankind was split up and dispersed (tower of Babel), as Israel was...
  18. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Yeppers. This is one of the ways MADism goes off the rails. They place great emphasis on Paul's teaching, yet they are blind to the fact that Paul's teaching applies scriptures that are clearly about the nation of Israel to all nations of the world (ie. mankind). They will readily admit that...
  19. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    God clearly says in scripture that He will always have a remnant. The remnant is not on hold. The remnant never stopped or was put on hold. Jews were witnessing to Gentiles both before and after Paul's conversion. Blindness in part.
  20. Tambora

    These are NOT the same gospel

    NO!!!! Paul did NOT say search the scriptures for only certain things about Christ. You know that.
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