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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I came to Open Theism through Bon Enyart's ministry. He used to have a television talk show called "Bob Enyart Live" on the Lesea Television Network (I think it was that network!) back in the 90s. The show had nothing at all to do with Open Theism. It was a talk show where Bob talked about...
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I encourage you to add sound reason to your scripture reading. The bible can be used to teach pretty nearly anything if one fails to employ sound reason when formulating one's doctrine.
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    Understanding God’s election

    Romans 9 is Jeremiah 18 applied to Israel! The context is about the nation of Israel and doesn't support the idea that God arbitrarily chooses anyone, much less specific individuals. Jeremiah 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: 2 “Arise and go down to the potter’s...
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    Understanding God’s election

    While agree with the gist of your post, I have to point out that people are not condemned because of Adam's sin but because of their own. This is not only a clear principle in the Old Testament but it is a major aspect of the gospel that many people miss. Romans 15:12 Therefore, just as through...
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    Main stream, more or less Baptist doctrine. Why do you ask?
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    Why? Is your allegiance to God's word or Aristotle's? And that's not me being flippant. That really is the choice.
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    Understanding God’s election

    Quite so! The term implies the concept of "potential". The word "whosoever" in John 3:16 suggests an open, indefinite invitation rather than a predetermined or exclusive group. In the original Greek, the phrase "πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων" (pas ho pisteuōn) translates roughly to "whoever believes," which...
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    A Moment of Honesty From an Atheist

    I watched a video that cited the following quote. I was so impressed with it that I wanted to share it with you guys here. Remember it the next time some atheist accuses you of making the "God did it." argument. It is they who make such an argument, only it isn't God its mindless evolution over...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Can you really not see that such a doctrine means that God is arbitrary?
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    On the omniscience of God

    They can handle figures of speech whenever doing so supports their doctrine! What they seem truly blind to is the fact that they are picking and choosing which statements they're choosing to accept as figures of speech and which they are taking literally. Of course, we pick and choose too! The...
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I'm not sure that first sentence makes perfect sense but generally, so far, so good. True, except that I would say that the first sentence of this paragraph goes somewhat beyond what the biblical material can support. Biblically, God knows all the truths that can be known THAT HE WANTS TO KNOW...
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    On the omniscience of God

    You'd be right about it being food for thought if your mind hadn't already starved to death. God is not omniscient (in the Classical sense of that term) and so option 2 is not an issue. Option 1 is based on the premise that a cause (or set of causes) can only possibly have one effect. Quantum...
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    On the omniscience of God

    Just how do we not, "call it like it is"? All of the omni-doctrines are overstatements. God does not know absolutely everything, He is not absolutely everywhere and delegates power to others. However, the exceptions are minimal when compared to the whole. God knows whatever He wants to know...
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    "Creation" the Masterpiece of the Master Creator" (Genesis, first few chapters)

    My heart is fine. It is you I despise and I'm not the least bit afraid of letting you know it. Don't bother ever quote the bible at me. You're a foolish idiot, who wouldn't know God's word from a warm fart. Psalms 139:21 Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who...
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    "Creation" the Masterpiece of the Master Creator" (Genesis, first few chapters)

    You will burn in Hell. Every single verse of scripture you ever quote is going to be read back to you on judgement day. You stupidity has already been refuted and so there is no speculation about how you'll respond to any argument. You WILL do NOTHING but ignore whatever anyone says and repeat...
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    "Creation" the Masterpiece of the Master Creator" (Genesis, first few chapters)

    No matter what you say to this lunatic that believes alchemy works (i.e. that you can change lead into gold) and that this is what the bible is actually about, he will ignore your answer and reassert his false claim that God is a liar. It is SoT who is the liar! Indeed, every time his username...
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    What gospel did Paul preach ?

    Yes. The point is that the question cannot be answered from within Dan P's paradigm. At least not in a rationally consistent way.
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    "Creation" the Masterpiece of the Master Creator" (Genesis, first few chapters)

    First of all, the first law of thermodynamics does NOT say that "All matter has been created and that there is no more matter being created". That is some thing you just decided you wanted to say, as best I can tell. More importantly, the bible does not say that "an infinite God that comes out...
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    Properly Enforcing the Death Penalty

    I agree except that I'd say that the reason He chooses may limit the means He can then choose. For example, God cannot rightly bring my six month old grandson from this life to the next by my hand, nor could God enlist a righteous man to commit mass murder in order to bring some evil person...
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    Properly Enforcing the Death Penalty

    True but, as is the case for some of the things Chat GPT listed, that doesn't seem to fit. I was looking for instances where children were punished by the government for having committed a crime. I don't think there is any question about the fact that God has the absolute right to bring anyone...
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