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    Battle Royale XIV discussion thread

    In the beginning was God's word, and God's word was with God, and God's word is God. God's word was in the beginning with God. All things were made through God's word, and without God's word nothing was made that was made. In God's word was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light...
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    Hebrews quotes a text that uses the Hebrew word "elohiym" when discussing the kings of Israel, in a context proving that God elevated Jesus to be above the angels. In that same context God is stated to be Christ's God, making it blatantly obvious that Jesus is LOWER than his God, but on a par...
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    I believe what the Bible STATES. I refuse to believe doctrines that contradict the clear, simple statements of Scripture. So far, not one of the trinitarian posters on this discussion have explained how Jehovah, the Father, can be Christ's God. Jesus says that his Father is his God (John 20:17...
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    No, it is very plainly discussing Christ's God, "God, even THY God", mentioned in verse 9.
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    The text repeatedly says God's words were with Him. Exactly. God's words were with God, and are God's identity ... they ARE God. What we know of God is provided to us in His words. Incorrect. You just didn't like my response. In comparison to his "fellows", mankind ..... Jesus is the MOST good...
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    The New Testament usage of "COSMOS" is always .... always .... about civilization. Here are two classic illustrations of this fact; 1 Cor 1:20-28 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that...
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    Isa 42:1-8 Behold, My servant, whom I uphold; My chosen, in whom My soul delighteth: I have put My Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He will not cry, nor lift up his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed will he not break, and a dimly...
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    Acts 4:24-30 And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, "O Lord, it is Thou who didst make the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them, 25 who by the Holy Spirit, through the mouth of our father David Thy servant, didst say, 'Why did...
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    Compared to all other men, Jesus is the perfect example of sinlessness. Compared to his God, NO. His Father is the source of all goodness, Jesus is the "IMAGE" of his God.
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    There is no "he" in the Greek. The masculine personal pronoun is translator bias. I quoted Col 1:16 You are correct Jesus is his Father's holy servant ... and Jesus is the Creators holy servant. Thus, Jesus is NOT the creator in Genesis, his God is. The Father is.
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    Jesus is correcting the man's statement. Jesus isn't to be considered "good" in comparison to his God. John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I...
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    So far NONE of this is about Jesus. It states that God created the heavens and the earth. We KNOW God used His words: Gen 1:3 And God SAID, Let there be light: and there was light. STILL no mention of Jesus. But we ARE told that John was "sent from God". This is an important point in...
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    This statement is trinitarian fiction. This statement contradicts reality... which is God's Creation. This statement contradicts Scripture ... which is God's words. The reference you offered contradicts your statement: Ps 33:6 By the word of Jehovah were the heavens made, and all the host of...
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    Deut 18:15-19 Jehovah thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16 according to all that thou desiredst of Jehovah thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Jehovah my...
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    Sure, but in verse 9 the author of Hebrews changes the subject to Christ's God, "therefore God, even thy God". When we examine Psa 102 it is clearly talking about YHVH God, Jehovah ..... NOT about Jesus. It is Jehovah, Christ's Father, that anointed Jesus. Jesus didn't anoint himself! It is...
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    The NT usage is discussing the civilization of man, man's order, NOT the universe. Here are some examples: John 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. Surely you...
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    Please show how Hebrews disagrees.
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    The New Testament usage of this word is relevant, the Greek philosophical usage is irrelevant. Given that the trinitarian doctrine is totally reliant on Greek philosophy and theology, I'm not surprised that you lean on that understanding. The NT usage is discussing the civilization of man...
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    Please show me trinitarian theory that states God the Father is Christ's God.
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    Please show where Hebrews disagrees.
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